Warning for BT50/Ranger 3.2 owners

Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 13:01
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This came to my attention on another site. It is a warning from Autodata about these engines not picking up oil through the pump after an oil change.

Here is the Autodata link
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Reply By: scruffy - Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 13:24

Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 13:24
So from what I understand from reading the site, you must not leave the drain plug off for more than 10 mins. But my understanding of draining the sump is that even with the oil drained out, sump plug in place, wouldn't oil still drain from the oil pump into the sump, as the sump has no oil in it. Or do they mean that you have only 10 mins to drain the oil, replace the sump plug and refill with oil? May be a two person job to change the oil. Bob
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Reply By: yarda - Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 16:53

Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 16:53
It's not written well, the issue is with the oil pump loosing its prime and having a low ability to draw oil up and self prime.

They mean to drain for no longer than 10 minutes, then re-fill and kick it over ASAP.
Wont be a problem at a dealer, lucky if they let em drain for more than 2 minutes!

I'd be interested to know how the oil pressure holds out on these engines, if the pump is wearing out and the clearances are opening up, I'd expect that the oil pressure will be slowly degrading as well.
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Reply By: Ross M - Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 18:34

Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 18:34
Makes you wonder how they got oil pressure in the first place if the pump is so incapable.
People are going to be stuffed when the sump is off for some reason, or is that the engine which will be stuffed?

It sounds worse than a worn out 2H landcuiser engine.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:16

Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:16
Ross,
I agree with you. Although there is this tech bulletin out about the problem, I also wonder how they get oil pressure from new if this is the case. I have been told they have a guy who blows into the tappet cover to pressurise the sump on initial startup, and this stops the problem.

Engine problems related to this don't seem to be reported on forum sites. So who knows.

Maybe some service people forgot to put oil in the engine before they started it. Good way to cover your arse. Guess that would never happen. LOL.

Time will tell.
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Follow Up By: yarda - Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 14:57

Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 14:57
When new the vane pump is probably OK, but in service it's flogging out. Probably due to some six sigma lean manufacturing genius bastardising the design or material specs.

Might pay to use an "anti drain back" oil filter with a check valve on these motors.
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Reply By: Member - Fab72 (Paradise SA) - Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 18:56

Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 18:56
Considering the pump is not submerged in the sump, there is always going to be some drain off.
This is a rotten design. Could this be a candidate to take the trophy for biggest lemon from the 3.0 Diesel Patrol?
Time and oil changes will tell.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 21:17

Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 21:17
Fab,
the motor has been around for 8 years.
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Follow Up By: bigcol - Monday, Jan 27, 2014 at 22:42

Monday, Jan 27, 2014 at 22:42
No I'd give that to the 3.2 and 2.5 Triton engines for their constant carbon problems, over boosting, over heating, and repeatedly throwing codes for no reason.
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Reply By: Axle - Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 19:52

Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 19:52
amazing at what lengths there going to for better fuel consumption, chain driven oil pump, over gear driven,know what I would prefer!,,,But that's technology these days.,in the duratorqcamp.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 21:39

Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 21:39
Axle,
I had a "chain driven oil pump detroit engine" that was built in 1941. It served some of it's life as a stationary engine and was then went into an Alice dozer, I don't know how many times it was rebuilt. In 1982 I rebuilt that engine with the latest N series pistons. Guess what the old chain driven oil pump was not touched.

One person here in another post dismissed detroits as a cheap engine. I know that old engine with the chain driven oil pump, was still going in 1995.

Guess time will tell if these new engines are up to scratch.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jan 24, 2014 at 09:19

Friday, Jan 24, 2014 at 09:19
Fair enough,..probably a very good heavy duty quality chain with a abundance of oil,...I would imagine the revs would have been down on a motor of that vintage as well,...as you say time will tell with the new breed ,they may be fine, its a bugger if there not..lol.


Cheers Axle
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Reply By: Nutta - Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 23:16

Wednesday, Jan 22, 2014 at 23:16
I read the engine design was taken from a 4 cylinder and had 1 added but they kept the 4 cyl pump which doesn't keep the oil up.

Cant believe everything you read on the net though!
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 14:05

Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 14:05
Someone said "Poor Design". Someone said "Could be a lemon, only time will tell". Off topic for a second I don't believe any new car as such should win awards as best 4WD or best car in category until they have served time. To me any vehicle should only be awarded "BEST" when it has proved itself. In todays world manufacturers are competing by increasing power and reducing fuel consumption, then adding a myriad of bells and whistles to lure customers. We don't find out what a car is really like until a few years later, typically when they are out of warranty.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 19:59

Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 19:59
I Agree Mate!, 200,000ks sorts it out, then the sprooking rights can begin,..lol.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Lyn W3 - Friday, Jan 24, 2014 at 17:13

Friday, Jan 24, 2014 at 17:13
I agree, the P76 comes to mind!
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul B (WA) - Sunday, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:38

Sunday, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:38
Terra Firma, post of the decade!

I stopped buying auto mags years ago for this precise reason. I once sat next to a motoring journo on a long plane trip who said quite flatly "motoring mags exist to sell new cars, it's the advertising for new cars that funds them." He wasn't in the slightest interested in 2 or 3 year old cars.

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Reply By: SDG - Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 15:19

Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 15:19
No good for me. I remove plug, then make a cuppa while draining. Come back and get oil all over me from the oil filter. Wash that off grumbling all the time and put a new one in. Have a look at air filter and radiator. Make another cuppa. Light a smoke and yell at the kids who just kicked a ball under the car coming close to knocking the now very full oil container. Drag out the oil container, again grumbling when a drop of oil splashes out on the ground. Pour the old stuff into a container before the kids find it. Being very very careful not to spill.
Then put the plug back on. Fill her up.

Hard days work. Time for a nap.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 18:03

Thursday, Jan 23, 2014 at 18:03
You forgot to mention," after searching for the sump plug for an hr" !


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Friday, Jan 24, 2014 at 16:37

Friday, Jan 24, 2014 at 16:37
Which fell into the oil catcher and you have to fish it out! Only to find the copper washer is still in there!

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Follow Up By: Brian 01 - Tuesday, Jan 28, 2014 at 05:47

Tuesday, Jan 28, 2014 at 05:47
Glad to see that I'm not the only clumsy bugga around.
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