76series trouble with clutch

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 16:55
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I have a 2012 landcruiser 76 series, bought with 30,000 k's on the clock. I have since travelled another 20,000. I took it to my mechanic to check it out and yes the clutch is stuffed. Anybody got the same prob, or any ideas?
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:08

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:08
Hi Dave,
I’ve got a 2008 model V8 Troopy that has a small clutch shudder when engaging at less than a 1000 revs.
Been like that since new and now have a 100,000 on the clock – Towed a 3 tonne van twice around Australia.
When new and under warranty, I had two Toyota dealers look at it and declare it normal.
Lately I have had an independent mechanic check it and he didn’t think it was anything to worry about. I am not sure if this is your problem?
By the way have you had a repair quote?
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Reply By: John and Regina M - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:22

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:22
You ask for ideas.....what am I missing?
The clutch is cactus. There's a good idea...
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Follow Up By: Whirlwinder - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:32

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:32
Not a very helpfull reply. I would have thought you could do better. If you don't have any good helpfull ideas then don't post an answer.
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Follow Up By: Member - warren G (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:46

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:46
actually that's a fact not an idea
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Follow Up By: John and Regina M - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:09

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:09
Yes I could have done better, however the comment would have been moderated.
And yes, it was a fact.

But in my defense, what is the point of the question? It's rubbish anyway, and unanswerable, as subsequent responses have pointed out. And so Whirlwinder what is your helpful reply? To dump on me for pointing out the bleeding obvious?
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:20

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:20
Would be handy to know if it's John or Regina posting. Sounds like owner operator John. ):
Dave.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 22:00

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 22:00
I would like to see a comment from the sensible, smart, intelligent Regina. Her viewpoint would be valid and also of interest.

Is she ever allowed to touch the keyboard?
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Follow Up By: John and Regina M - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 22:32

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 22:32
Ah, sexist pigs live and breathe on Exploroz.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 00:16

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 00:16
Equality for all.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:58

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:58
Hmm, I don't know about clutches, but I do know that John and Regeina's replies make less sense than the OP's

Where is the logic here...

John and Regina M replied:
"You ask for ideas.....what am I missing?
The clutch is cactus. There's a good idea..."

but then.....
John and Regina M posted:
"Yes I could have done better, however the comment would have been moderated.
And yes, it was a fact.

But in my defense, what is the point of the question? It's rubbish anyway, and unanswerable, as subsequent responses have pointed out. And so Whirlwinder what is your helpful reply? To dump on me for pointing out the bleeding obvious?"

So how can someone in one reply say they know the answer as a FACT! But immediately afterwards, declare that the question is rubbish and unanswerable..

These kind of answers don't add any value. And that really IS a fact!



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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 18:00

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 18:00
Its a bit hard to give a sensible answer when all you say is "the clutch is stuffed".
How about some detail - is it slipping? in what gears, or is there a noise, or is it shuddering....
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Reply By: Ross M - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 18:42

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 18:42
How competent is the mechanic in determining the clutch is stuffed?????

What did he do to diagnose it?
Did he test drive it?
Did he just listen to what you said to him?

Lots of unknowns there.

You haven't mentioned any symptoms to allow people to realistically comment and therefore just get silly, nonsensical, replies sometimes.

If you can describe as accurately as you can, what the symptoms are, which caused you to attend the mechanics workshop, more light may shine on the possible problem or lack of problem.
At the moment all we know is "it's stuffed". Some faults to some people mean disaster and to others a small adjustment perhaps. Who knows until it is actually determined.

Cheers
Ross M
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew & Jen - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 13:14

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 13:14
Dave N1
Good suggestions above by Ross M
You might like to have a look at the lcool.org site.
These are Toyota LC owners who could most likely give you good advice based on many years of experience.
It is free to join and I find the posters are knowledgeable, helpful, friendly and polite.
Cheers
Andrew
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Reply By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 19:21

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 19:21
Statutory warranty may help.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:19

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:19
not usually with a clutch. as said theres no where near enough detail

but if the clutch is worn out it would most likely be from abuse which isnt covered
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:26

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 20:26
It's a Toyota Bazooka so it must be caused by abuse. Ask Toyota.
Dave.
100 Series Owner
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 22:51

Tuesday, Feb 11, 2014 at 22:51
I know nothing about Toyota clutches but would have thought that when he pulls it out it should be relatively easy to tell if it's "abuse" or failure, assuming of course it's a genuine enquiry.
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Follow Up By: yarda - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 00:17

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 00:17
Warranty doesn't cover consumeable items, unless you can prove a manufacturing or assembly fault.
So if the friction plate is gone, stiff luck on a claim.
If the pressure plate has half it's fingers with bad spring tension then you could be in luck.
Or the rear main could have leaked oil into the clutch, if so then it's an easy claim.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 21:58

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 21:58
Toyota might like you to believe that Yarda but it's simply not true. The test for statutory or other warranty has little to do with "consumability" and everything to do with fitness for purpose and reasonable expectation. 50,000km for a clutch might be reasonable to Toyota but I doubt it is for an owner, especially when Toyota advertises it's products as super reliable and built tough. Unless the clutch has clear signs of abuse then he'd have a case. Whether he has the tenacity to pursue it is entirely a different story, and that's precisely what some companies rely on.
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 00:34

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 00:34
I have a VDJ ute 2008. My clutch packed it in at about 35,000km. It seems some of them do at about this stage. Partly I would not spare the horses and partly I was towing a heavy load a lot. Sometimes I had been bogged quite badly and ended up riding the clutch a bit to get out. A group of things.

Some people I have read about tried the Exedy Safari Tough clutch and while a good clutch most complained it was too heavy on the leg muscle.

I tried an Extreme Outback clutch (supposedly heavy duty) and it has been OK but not that heavy duty and it does cause gearbox roll over noise. In truth most after market clutches seem to report with gearbox roll over noise.

Next I will look a the 4terrain clutch as I have read these run better with little roll over noise.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:51

Wednesday, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:51
Hi Serindipity
Mine has always had a shudder when starting off if engaging below 1000 revs – it’s done a 100,000 ks and I guess someday it will pack it in.
Any idea on what a mechanic would charge to overhaul/repair a clutch in a 2008 V8 Troopy?.
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Thursday, Feb 13, 2014 at 06:30

Thursday, Feb 13, 2014 at 06:30
Mine still has a shudder now at low revs and I believe it is asymptomatic of the landcruisers newer or older.

I managed to get toyota to do my last clutch for $680 on a special price because there was not much on at the time. Other quotes varied from $750 to $1200. These where labour only but including skimming the flywheel. The clutch parts were on top - another $350 or so.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Feb 13, 2014 at 15:52

Thursday, Feb 13, 2014 at 15:52
Good info - thanks for that
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Reply By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 13, 2014 at 16:36

Thursday, Feb 13, 2014 at 16:36
My idea would be to replace the clutch assembly.
As you are the second owner, you are unable to vouch for how the vehicle has been driven/used, so a warranty claim would be very doubtful.
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Reply By: Member - Keith B (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 15, 2014 at 08:45

Saturday, Feb 15, 2014 at 08:45
I'm on my second troopy and while neither has been V8's, both have had mild clutch shudder since fairly new. However both have travelled over 200 000 km and the clutches are still going - with the same small shudder. As mentioned above, small shudder seems to be symptomatic but my experience is that the clutch remains strong. Both my troopies have been across the Simpson at least 6 times (each!!!), one has done the CSR three times - and so on. I remain confident about the clutches despite the slight shudder.
I should mention that I took the 1990 Troopy back to the dealer at about 50 000 km for a regular service and to complain about the clutch and he explained the clutch was "stuffed" (sic) and should be replaced. I didn't heed that advice and glad I didn't. But then again they "forgot" to change the oil at that service so naturally I questioned the dealer's competence.
Just another point of view to confuse your issue.
Have a great day everyone.
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Reply By: Rhys t - Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 01:16

Wednesday, Mar 12, 2014 at 01:16
First is really short so taking off in second all the time, the clutch would suffer a bit???

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