Generators

Submitted: Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 22:17
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G'day fellas it's the Old Dog here, been looking at buying a generator. I need it to run the van fridge, a fan to help us sleep on these warm nights and maybe a light. The nice young man at Honda has a 1 KVA with inverter for $1400 but quickly showed me the 2KVA (which of course is twice as good) for $1900. I left feeling a little discouraged (I know that this is quality) but I was searching the net and found this: Bushpower 1 KVA with almost identical specs for $790 with 2 year warranty.
Do any of my learned friends have any words to speak on this matter. Really appreciate your wisdom.
Thanks heaps
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Reply By: Racey - Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 22:30

Friday, Mar 14, 2014 at 22:30
Old Dog, you are going to get lot's of opinions. Mine is a KIPOR 2600. They sell for around $1100 now, when I bought mine 6 years ago (yellow version) they were $1700. Good reliable units now distributed by Primus (blue version). Mine has done around 5-600 hrs without a problem. Nominal rating 2.3kva compared to Honda 1.6kva. Max rating is 2.6kva compared to 2kva. I'd be wary of the $500 specials on E-bay. Many of are rated at 5000 rpm and very loud.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 00:02

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 00:02
G'day Racey, thanks for the advice, if yours has done 5-600 hrs then KIPOR are obviously reliable. This is what I need to hear.
Thanks heaps.
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Reply By: John and Regina M - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 00:25

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 00:25
Old dog,
Reliability is but one part of the equation.
I notice you have said you want to run it at night.
Noise should be another consideration, as should 2 stroke or 4, size of fuel tank, method of generating 240V, and many other variables.

Many places have bans on generators after certain hours, and even if free camping with others, they may dictate when it gets turned off if its noise is obtrusive.

It pays to test them all out running with a load attached.

But remember, the better ones are usually the pricey ones.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 09:58

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 09:58
Thanks John, never thought about bans on generators.
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Reply By: Glenn C5 - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 09:07

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 09:07
http://www.australiandirect.com.au/shop/caravan-camping/generators/1309

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Reply By: Member - KBAD - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:02

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:02
Old Dog I have a 2.4 Yamaha happy with that, you need to add up all your potential current draw and check that against the constant output of the generator. This is what it will handle under constant load for example the 2.4 Yammy will output 2kva constant and handle surge to 2.4 the 2kva honda will take 1.6 constant and handle 2 on surge (surge- the max output that the generator will handle for a short time). For what you describe in your post the 1KVA will suffice but bear in mind if you add load on you need to wok out if you are not over loading the machine.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:12

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:12
Thanks KBDA, this is good info, I haven't done the sums just guesstimated. So many different brands to choose from.
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Reply By: Member - KBAD - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:21

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:21
Old Dog there is a lot to choose from it is a decision only you can come to be as realistic as you can about the use you will put it to. I went with a brand name as i have in the past owned a lot of generators some large (25KVA three phase) and some not so big 2kva, with all of them i have had to do work to them, perhaps they were not as reliable as the modern machines or perhaps the constant work i put them under just wore them out, anyway in my experience the brand names were less hassle to fix and keep running and had better support.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:50

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:50
Thanks mate, my old mate who is dead now would tell me often, "the poor man always pays twice" I think he's right.
Old dog
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Reply By: caseh - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:39

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:39
We stayed at a Central Western Australian coastline camp two years ago.

We are self sufficient and only carry our Honda 2Kva gennie as a back up. Have not used it the last two years.
However a very paranoid camp mother at this particular site approached some people who had camped at this site for many years, saying they could not use their blue Gennie as they only allowed Honda's. This was before they even got a chance to unpack and set up. It appears the "host" had spotted the blue contraption on the back of their flat deck.

Anyway, they borrowed our gennie as they needed this with an 8 months old baby on board.
Just shows you the mind set of some people.

Yes, noise is a big factor in considering your purchase.

cheers, Case
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 18:25

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 18:25
Didn’t allow blue gennies! – they sound like they really knew their technical stuff.
Did they also ban the yellow and green ones too?
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:52

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:52
Thanks mate, those people sound racist. Takes all types,
Old dog
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Reply By: Member - Brenton H (SA) - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:56

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:56
Hello Old Dog, just went the reverse and sold my 1Kva Honda. A good unit reliable and fairly quiet for a gennie. Need to look at unit weight, size, and fuel also. They are not light to carry.
We usually move around a fair bit and now rely on decent batteries and solar panels...much more serene.
However I acknowledge there are circumstances where the gennie is definately handy.

I don't have any reviews to rely on but saw the following recently and thought this looked a decent buy with good after sales warranty.
http://www.kulkyne.com/au/Kulkyne-Inverter-Generator-KG2000is.html
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:56

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:56
Hi Brenton H, thanks for your thoughts, I have a solar panel but I really need to find out more about this stuff, I'm a bit old school I suppose. Solar might be a better option.
Old dog
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 14:01

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 14:01
Hi Old Dog,

I would seriously consider going solar if it were me making the decision.

I have a genny and of course it weighs according to its output but I only bought it to run the airco in the van.

All other uses, such as running the Waeco for drinks, powering the van with lights, pumps, radio, TV, DVD players, phone chargers etc, etc, etc, I use 12 volt batteries and solar. And I use as much power as I like with no problems.

I have 280 watts of fixed solar and 240Ah of batteries and never run out of power, in fact the power is always showing above 98 % in the mornings and from 10am on it shows 100%. Mind you I run the main 3 way fridge on gas always, unless in a van park.

The thing with solar is that it will cost less than those gennies and will continue to save you money.

Just my observations and experience here.
Forget the genny unless you have your heart set on one.

Solar panel 200 watt = $215 (Bit Deals - Ebay = Best dealer)
30 Amp Solar Regulator
Regulator is the same as mine.

This is more or less what I have (1 X 200 watt and 1 X 80 watt) and it beats a genny hands down. So dam quiet too.
The neighbours love it when I am camping.

Cheers, Bruce.






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Follow Up By: John B1 - Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 16:53

Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 at 16:53
I just got one last week from

www.generatorstore.com.au

at $1599 including cable and cover

delivered in 3 working days
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:59

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 15:59
Thanks Bruce, I definitely will do some research into solar. Thanks for the link.
Old dog
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Reply By: Member - Kirk L - Sunday, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:47

Sunday, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:47
Don't know about bush power but I bought a cheap blackridge one via supa cheap and it was garbage. I ended up taking it back and paying $1230 for the Honda one. Do some research but you get what you pay for at the end of the day.
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Follow Up By: Old dog - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 16:01

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2014 at 16:01
Thanks Kirk L, I think brands names are the go.
Old dog
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