2013 DMax, so called "Smart Alternator"
Submitted: Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 18:50
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D-Max Dave
Well it seems that the smart alternator does work to improve fuel economy, Ive been taking note of the fuel economy of our 2013 Auto Dmax for the last 4 months and it has sat steadily at 8.7 l/100kl ( canopy, steel bull bar, winch fitted) No Dual battery system installed !.
After installing the dual battery system ( 110ah AGM battery, dc-dc charger, as advised by an auto elec) the fuel consumption has gone up to 9 l/100kl and according to the volt meter the the alternator is producing 14.2 volts constantly.
I guess that means that the smart alternator is not disengaging as it was supposed to do therefore placing an extra load on the engine, thus increasing the fuel consumption.
Any thoughts ?
Dave
Reply By: Member - Andrew L (QLD) - Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 21:22
Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 21:22
"8.7 l/100kl ( canopy, steel bull bar, winch fitted) has gone up to 9 l/100kl "
So to scientifically measure that 0.3L/100km difference over time/distance you have used the same bowser, same ambient and ground temperature, mass, speed average and altitude running to ensure comparison consistency..?
..or are we talking bum dynometer analysis..?
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Follow Up By: D-Max Dave - Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 21:50
Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 21:50
Nothing scientific about it, its based purely on what my fuel economy gauge is telling me, which I know is not 100% accurate, but it did change right after adding the dual battery system !
Dave
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 22:19
Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 22:19
To take notice of the dash abacus is probably not a goo d method to
check things.
I do love the comment from Andrew L " BUM DYNAMOMETER.
If you wear thick nappylike undies that error may vary so it isn't a good method either.
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Follow Up By: John and Regina M - Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 22:29
Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 22:29
I like the bum dyno as
well.
Nothing scientific or, indeed, accurate about the method used. Trips vary, humidity and temps change, driver moods dictate right foot enthusiasm, traffic lights, wind speed and direction etc.
And yes, the DMax does not yet have a smart (or dumb) alternator.
So the whole concept is moot.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rosco from way back - Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 22:30
Sunday, May 04, 2014 at 22:30
LOL A fitting finale to Act 1 of a most interesting discussion.
I await more with baited breath.
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Follow Up By: HKB Electronics - Monday, May 05, 2014 at 12:18
Monday, May 05, 2014 at 12:18
Not getting involved as to the
test environment, just looking at the simple physics, if you add a dual battery system and use it you have to replace the energy you have used, in this case the energy is supplied by the motor. If you use a 100Ah at 14.4V that's around 1.4Kw you've drawn from the motor and that's not allowing for conversion loses etc.
So yes you will use more fuel. Same as turning off the smart charge function, if you raise the base voltage all the electrical equipment will consume more power and more fuel, you can't have it both ways though, if you need the power you have to burn the fuel.
It is interesting to look into the engine management ECU to see what lengths the car manufacture have gone to improve idle fuel consumption and hence minimise the pollution emissions to meet the standards.
Take the Toyota Prado diesel for example, they use a high compensation alternator to lower the charge voltage to reduce engine load, they have firmware in the engine management system to minimise fuel consumption at idle, the ECU looks at every cylinder as it fires and times the acceleration of the piston stroke and and continually adjusts the fuel flow to each cylinder at idle to balance the power output from each cylinder. Of course once you put the foot down it disregards all that and reverts to look up tables to get the horses going.
Cheers
Leigh
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Reply By: evaredy - Monday, May 05, 2014 at 12:39
Monday, May 05, 2014 at 12:39
The Dmax does not have a Variable voltage regulator.
I went through all of this with my 2013 Dmax. I wanted to put a 120ah battery in
the tub and at the time it was thought that I would need a BCDC 1240-LV because of the alternator.
After some discussion with Redarc and them finally confirming with Isuzu that it is a normal alternator. I was told that I wouldn't need it after all.
I had already purchased the BCDC 1240 I went ahead and had it installed anyway.
I have now also mounted a 150W solar panel on the roof of the canopy and is wired into the BCDC, so the battery is charged when sitting out in the sun. Although I could have done it a bit cheaper, I am happy with this setup.
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Follow Up By: evaredy - Monday, May 05, 2014 at 12:55
Monday, May 05, 2014 at 12:55
I meant to say Variable Voltage Alternator not regulator.
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Reply By: D-Max Dave - Tuesday, May 06, 2014 at 12:34
Tuesday, May 06, 2014 at 12:34
Hi All
Thanks for all the comments and advice, here is the reply from Isuzu !
Dear David,
Thank you for your email.
The Isuzu D-MAX does not have a computer controlled alternator – we are unsure why the dealer would have said otherwise.
Additionally, the dual battery system is not recommend or endorsed by IUA.
Thanks and regards,
Customer Relations Coordinator
Isuzu UTE Australia Pty Ltd
Well a lot of you may be saying "I told you so" and others may be suprised, I did really not know what to expect.
As it turns out I think I have installed the appropriate system, more by luck than anything else, I installed what I thought was a DC-DC unit but it turns out to be a VSR which is all I needed.
Again
Thanks
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