Apologies If I Appeared Racist

Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 25, 2004 at 22:57
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G'day All

I feel I may have upset some forumites, including Willem, last week with my comments regarding our Indigenous countrymen.

I have no problems with Aborigines at all. As with all races, there are good and bad.

The writter who responded with the comment about tollroads has missed my point. On a tollway, everybody pays. The example I mentioned was that only non-indigenous persons paid. My only gripe is the apparent inequality in this country. I believe in equal opportunity for all, no matter what colour or sex or whatever. But we see to many examples where this does not occur. My belief is that this inequality is quite obvious in certain areas between black and non-black.

Anyhow, as suggested, this is probably not the place for this type of discussion.

Just wanted to say sorry if I offended anybody. I'd got my dander up that night and probably didn't express myself clearly.

See ya in the bush. Treadlightly!

Nomad
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Reply By: Goran - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 00:56

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 00:56
That is right mate, this forum is not the place for that type of discusion.
There is no such place.
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Follow Up By: Poida4x4 - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 02:33

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 02:33
I really hope there is a place where this can be discussed. It needs to be discussed.....
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Reply By: Brett - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:11

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:11
Nomad,
I am with you. I have met a heap of fantastic Aboriginals on the road and have always made an effort to have a chat and find out the good fishing spots etc etc and I will say that I have never had one bit of trouble. We have often shared a meal or beer onthe bank of a creek or at a remote camping site with Aboriginals and found them more than accommodating However I do detest having to obtain a permit to go to certain places due to the colour of my skin and basically I refuse to go to those places. This is going to stir up some worms but I am an Australian and should have the right to see this country without having to pay pay pay. I would not mind if the money was injected into facilities and the like but we all know it isn't and in a majority of cases our tax is distributed to these communities to enable them to live where they want and without the communal and social responsibilities that the majority of us need to comply with. Remember that the taxpayer pays for almost everything these people have and ,as is evident in many current affairs programs, the distribution of these funds is very questionable.

These opinions do not make me racist, all I would like to see is equality.
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Follow Up By: Rojac - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 17:31

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 17:31
I too have in the past worked with and socialised with many, they are good genuine people ( sorry to disappoint whoever called me a racist in a previous tread), it is very unfortunate that the stirrers are the albino blacks.

As they say a bad apple spoils the barrel .
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Feb 27, 2004 at 01:05

Friday, Feb 27, 2004 at 01:05
How much is the COST of there land we (us whities) took from them we will pay forever.
Regards
Richard Kovac
yar a son of a refugee
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Reply By: Member - Des Lexik(SA) - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:32

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:32
I also used to get my dander up about having to pay to go to some area's of our great land. I have changed my point of view because frequently we wish to drive on private property(many areas of the Flinders Ranges for a start) and we choose wether we go and pay or not use the property.
With Aboriginal lands, these because of native title, are the private property of the title holders so why shouldn't we pay a reasonable fee to access their land.
If every Tom, Dick or Harry decided to drive all around our garden's, I'm sure we would get upset fairly quickly.
Just my opinion.
I'd rather have my bum on a beach in Broome
Than be stuck here in this damn room.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wim (Bris) - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:51

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:51
Des.

Hit the nail right on the head.

RegardsThis 4WD stuff is addictive,
time consuming & expensive.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 19:11

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 19:11
If I had charged $5 for each person to drive up my driveway Des I could afford a Landcruiser!....

I agree, but there is a time and place to dicsuss everything, without intending to upset or get someone offside. If we can't talk things thru we end up fighting.Life ISN'T like a box of chocolates...it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
What you do today, might burn your bum tomorrow."
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Reply By: ross - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 13:45

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 13:45
I havent visited any land that require a fee to be paid to indigenous owners and dont have any problems with it. If the fee is excessive its not an aboriginal problem but one of greed.
Its not much different to being overcharged for a lousy meal or sloppy work by a dud mechanic. When this happens no one blames white people as a whole,just the scumbag who pocketed your money.

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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 18:14

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 18:14
Nomad theres an old saying you dont discuss three things politics religion and what your talking about above because as you know theres to many experst on all .

All the best
Eric

Cape York Connections
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Follow Up By: Nomad - Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 18:37

Thursday, Feb 26, 2004 at 18:37
Yeah, your right Eric. Trouble is the first two topics can bring about some great debate.

I am not complaining about paying to enter Yularu, Katherine, Kuta-Juta or the likes. My original comment was about demands for money to drive down what is a gazetted public road for the reason that it traverses Aboriginal Land. I don't suggest that these demands are in anyway sanctioned by any authority, black or white.

Anyway, enough is enough.

Cheers

Nomad
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Reply By: Patsy - Saturday, Feb 28, 2004 at 08:36

Saturday, Feb 28, 2004 at 08:36
We are travelling the Old Abandoned Gunbarrel & CSR later this year. Whilst certain permits are required, I was informed by the Central Lands Council that the only permit that costs money to drive a designated road was the Mereenie Loop Road at a whole cost of $2.50. I have obtained permits for the "Docker River Road" west of Uluru-KataTjuta to the WA border, permits for Balgo Reserve (access to Tanami Track/Canning Stock Route) and permits from NT Border to Warakurna to Abondoned Section of the Gunbarrel Highway to Great Central Road for the grant total of $0.00.
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