External reversing alert - disable?

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Have an ex rental prado 150 series with a loud external reversing alert (much as you'd hear on a garbage truck!). I presume the switch will be spiced into the wiring somewhere, or am i going to be lucky enough to not have to remove trim/panels to turn it off? Any suggestions welcome.
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Reply By: Slow one - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 05:47

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 05:47
It probably comes of your reverse light circuit through a relay, so easiest way would be to disconnect the alarm itself. The alarm may also be your tail light bulbs, as they used to make them with an inbuilt alarm.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 20:29

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 20:29
More then likely there won't be a relay, we and everyone who we know who fit them always just spice them into to reversing lights.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:02

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:02
Lj,

Had one of the combination lamp/beepers that Slow mentioned, that was in the reversing light. Bought it at auto accessory place. Not real loud, but enough to let people know you were reversing.

If the "alert" you have is really in your face loud, then I'd suggest it may be mounted somewhere near the rear of the vehicle, to give maximum alertness(and annoyance).

Probably a small cube shaped box, with 2 wires running off it. I'd be just removing the earth wire, to stop it.

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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:07

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:07
Meant to say, at rear of vehicle, and probably tucked up in rear bar, or fixed to the chassis, but where it wouldn't be damaged by stones etc.

If you get underneath you're sure to find it :-)



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Follow Up By: lj_eco - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:47

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:47
Thanks guys, yeah was pretty obvious once i knew where to look, stuck it in reverse and followed the sound to this exceptionally 'loud speaker'!

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Have yet to disconnect but you reckon just the earth and leave it in situ? If so too easy. Mighty fine.

PS: I hear ya'all re: OHS. We have to report 'near misses'. There seems to be no limit to what constitutes a near miss, hell i just about got a paper cut reaching over to the keyboard ;) Don;t worry about working on the chainsaw alone on the national park trails.
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Follow Up By: lj_eco - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:48

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:48
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Follow Up By: lj_eco - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 14:20

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 14:20
'Scuse the ignorance, but it's only got red and black insulate wires. No 'green earth'. Ok to disconnect the negative?
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Follow Up By: lj_eco - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 15:24

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 15:24
Don;t worry. Stupid question. Disconnected black, leccy taped up. Bewdy. Thanks for advice.
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Reply By: Member - Rosss - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:06

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:06
Why would you disable it, all vehicles should have them factory fitted and they should be a roadworthy requirement.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:41

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 09:41
Rosss,
from another angle. They are great around worksites and carparks, but then on the flip side they are something else in the wee morning hours.

Coming from an area where most of the work utes have them, they can be a pain at those times. Many will reverse into their drive at night which is the way we should park if it is practicable, but those who don't, cause many sleepless mornings for neighbours. Many of these units are 100 decibel plus.

Maybe all vehicles should be fitted with reverse cameras or sonar warning devices, that way no one gets a annoyed.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 10:20

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 10:20
Yes - could you imagine the noise as everyone reversed out of there driveway in the morning to go to work !! What about the noise in the supermarket carpark ! You wouldn't know who was reversing and who wasn't. I have one in my car but it has a switch. I turn it on when I consider it necessary - generally not in suburbia.

Next someone will be suggesting we wear Hi Viz to go outside for a walk (after completing a JSA and Take 5 :)

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Follow Up By: Member - Rosss - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 11:30

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 11:30
JSA and Take 5 ?
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 12:01

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 12:01
Hi

Risk assessment tools and methodologies commonly use in mining and construction industries as part of Occupational Health and Safety systems. JHA = Job Safety Analysis - detailed assessment of each task required to complete a job, identifying risks and actions to eliminate them. Take 5 is a less formal, on the spot assessment of the hazards/risks involved in a task you are about to undertake i.e. take 5 minutes to assess potential dangers so they can be avoided.

With some companies you are not allowed to fart without completing a JSA. Others - no driving at night, no walking more than 1km from your vehicle, high lift jacks banned, snatch straps banned, no climbing up rocky outcrops, no changing flat tyres (ring qualified tyre changer), no climbing on back of a ute without fall arrester/permit, 2, 3, 4 sat phone call ups per day to let someone know your still alive, Use of common sense banned (unless in approved JSA) etc etc..

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:04

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:04
And how would you feel when the neighbours cars (3) are reversed up their long drive with a screeming damned noise at who knows what decibels, and then at all hours of the night. It would drive you batty. Yep!! They can't turn around in their yard. We are in a battle ax block with a long 60 meter driveway. The others living both sides of the driveway would also be pretty well cheesed off.

I'd put a hammer through it myself if I had one. We should learn to be careful drivers and not rely on these things. Stop and have a look. All these "things" are making us lazy, irresponsible and bad drivers. I never even look at the reversing camera display in my car. Maybe for hooking up a trailer but that's all. I am too busy watching the mirrors and what's going on around me.

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Follow Up By: Slow one - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:16

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:16
Greg,
One problem with a Take 5 is, there isn't any allowance for age. Was unloading once, some white hat asked if I was familiar with the companies safety practices and take 5 procedure. I answered I was but at may age I needed to do a take 15 and they don't have one. He wasn't impressed at all.

PJR,
I don't see much difference between looking at a reverse camera screen or looking in rear vision mirrors. Maybe laziness is when you don't look at both. Then again the T model ford never had a reverse camera so why should new vehicles.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:35

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:35
It was an example mate. Get back on with the main issue.

My reference to laziness is allowing all these gadgets to replace our own responsibility. What's wrong with a walk around the car first or even stopping the car and getting off you tail and walking around and see what the area is like. And note the kid across the yard that is playing with the ball. Something to keep an eye on. That's what the laziness was about.

Also my eyes are a lot better than a reverse camera with a distorted two dimensional display.

Like Greg, I also wonder when we will need hiviz jackets, safety boots and helmets to take out the rubbish. Oh bugger!! Forgot the gloves.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew & Jen - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:35

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:35
I had one fitted to the F truck (which is dual cab and has a canopy) while it was in for some work at Tom Price
It has an on/off switch
Most of the time it is off
But if I assess the situation warrants it, I turn it on
It also has a rear camera fitted but I find that watching the 2 side mirrors plus the front corners pretty well occupies my attention.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 14:06

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 14:06
Excellent idea. That way you can choose where it would be best to use it or shut them up.

We had then in the old International Mark 3's that they Army had. I don't recall one ever working beyond a day past a service. The mechanics would remove the bits of cardboard and the drivers would put them back.

Phil
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Follow Up By: SDG - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 16:28

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 16:28
We use to disconnect the damn things on the forklifts we drove. Nobody ever knew which forklift was beeping at the time any way.
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Follow Up By: Angryz - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 19:03

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 19:03
On a lot of Japanese trucks when the parkers/headlights are turned on it turns off the reverse beeper so it is not active after dark.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 20:35

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 20:35
Most of the the ones we fit and sell now are close proximity white noise broadband types...... Much better then the old beep beep beep types...... And no more upset neighbours.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wozikev - Friday, Jun 06, 2014 at 13:22

Friday, Jun 06, 2014 at 13:22
Greg - JSA and Take 5 ?? You must be an Alcoan.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Friday, Jun 06, 2014 at 13:39

Friday, Jun 06, 2014 at 13:39
No, worse than that, I am a consultant and have had to suffer through many inductions over the years. Never done a job for them, even though the are just up the road.

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Reply By: Member - mike g2 - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 10:41

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 10:41
Hi all, important safety eqpt, kids especially still get run over by vehicles reversing. agree with comment about finding unit -should be under rear near taillight set and setting up a cabin switch so it can be used as needed, could be muffled a little by a variety of means inc putting some 100mile an hour tape over it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 12:02

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 12:02
Reverse alarms don't work for very young children. Apparently they can't tell where the noise is coming from and are just as likely to freeze as recognise it as a warning to move. Actually most are so noisy even adults are confused by them.

However there are some clever new alarms that are directional so you only hear them if you are behind the vehicle. I have heard them working and they are MUCH less annoying if you are not behind the vehicle while still letting you know to move if you are in the impact zone. Doesn't solve the child problem though.

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Reply By: Krooznalong - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:15

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 13:15
Specific answer sure to be found on Prado forum
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Follow Up By: lj_eco - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 15:26

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 15:26
FYI this is an aftermarket fitting so more general. But appreciate the comment. Cheers
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 14:45

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 14:45
Sounds like a good idea but it seems to put the onus back on the pedestrian instead of safe driving practices. But i guess it helps! Michael!
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Follow Up By: Member - allan t (NT) - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 16:44

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 16:44
The pedestrians seems to think they have the right to walk where they want to dont bother to give way or watch where they are going . I personally hate beepers a pair of pliers on the work sight and everyone was happy after a week safety joe woke up but they soon got oily rag around them not as loud.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 18:46

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 18:46
Allan! The only difference between a motorist and a pedestrian is that the pedestrian has managed to find a parking spot! We are all motorists and all pedestrians and we probably will all cause grief to one an other depending on which of the two modes we are in! Michael
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 19:02

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 19:02
Micheal,
not a truer word spoken. You are on the money big time.
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Reply By: Life Member TourBoy, Bundaberg - Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 19:06

Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 19:06
My work ute (mine spec) has the reverse beeper, but it is only active when I have the roll bar mounted amber beacons on. At all other times it is off.
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