Is FRED a scammer?

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 18:55
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Hi,
Recently I listed my rare Nissan Patrol Extra Cab for sale in the classifieds on this forum and within a short time I was contacted by a Fred. Here is his return email:

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From: Gaylord Fred [mailto:gayfredd@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 9:51 AM
To: GPM
Subject: RE: Car for Sale


Thanks for the swift response..I will like you to re-confirm your asking price and consider me as your favorite buyer buy ignoring all other offers .

I won't be able to come over with cash or mail a cheque because presently, I'm working away in Darwin on a research project but i have equally arranged the private courier agent that will come for the pick up and transfer of ownership after payment have been made, so you don't have to worry about that.

Kindly send me your PayPal email so i can pay in right away and also include your address in your reply.If you don't have a paypal account, you can easily set up one...log on to www.paypal.com.au and sign up. its very easy.I await your reply asap.
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Has anyone heard from this guy. I presume he is a scam. If so beware anyone else who is selling and is contacted by him.
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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 18:59

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 18:59
YEP ABSOLUTELY!
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Reply By: Slow one - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 18:59

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 18:59
No he is a robber. Run away
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Reply By: The Ferret - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:32

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:32
Definitely a scam. Was on Gumtree for a long time. Just ignore it and it will stop.
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Reply By: Member - Jim B8 - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:36

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:36
I have seen a very similar approach in Karratha. They accept the deal, no questions. Its all organised, they will end back in town on shift end. Oil rig 2 and 1, or elsewhere, remote. All details confirmed, and at the last minute, a twist. Money for transport, flights, always something. I recall that they were preying on Gumtree ads at that stage.

Be very cautious is my advice. You are obviously already suspicious and others need to be as well?
regards

jim
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Reply By: Dreadnought - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:42

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:42
A fool and his money are easily parted......."Caveat Venditor!"
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Reply By: Ross M - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:48

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:48
gayfredd should be enough for anyone.

Oh! and by the way, it is easy to setup a paypal account if you don't already have one, because it is harder for use to rip you off without it, so get to it and logon today.
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Reply By: 02.murray - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:57

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 19:57
This scam is in epidemic proportions - we listed on trading post and had dozens of these scam emails - more than 20 and only 1 valid enquiry. If they don't have a valid phone number - just ignore, ignore, ignore - very very annoying!
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Reply By: wholehog - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 20:52

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 20:52
I dunno which is the more of a scam...

the "rare Nissan Patrol Extra Cab" or Fred the fairly obvious scammer...lol
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Follow Up By: wholehog - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 20:54

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 20:54
Is it a chopped wagon..or a ute with some sheet metal mig/welded in/onto it..?
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Follow Up By: Member - Silverchrome - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 21:15

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 21:15
Hi WH,
It was originally a Patrol Wagon......nothing scam about it.
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Reply By: wizzer73 - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 21:40

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 21:40
If he can get on the net to do paypal then he can easily just do a bank transfer as well. Suggest that to him. Then once the money is there its yours.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 02:47

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 02:47
that would be a great idea, give him your bank details 8-)
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 12:57

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 12:57
I believe the way the scam works is that the bloke who picks the truck up lets the other end know he has it. The scammer then withdraws his transfer from your account. You then have neither the money or the truck. If you want to go through with the deal then withdraw the money from your Paypal account before you part with your goods.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 13:06

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 13:06
they have no intention of collecting the truck.
The money doesn't go in your paypal account
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 19:38

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 19:38
How does he withdraw the money from your account? You can deposit into another persons account but how can you withdraw it?
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Follow Up By: wizzer73 - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 20:35

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 20:35
That's why I suggested a bank transfer. It's a PayPal scam. If you are worried about the bank details then set up an account with no money it. Withdraw the money as soon as it's there then hand the car over. The scammer won't do it I bet.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 23:12

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 23:12
Alby, I'm not sure how Paypal works but I remember the scam being detailed in EO some months back. The scam involves getting back their money plus your goods.. If anyone has finer details on the fraud then they may come forward.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 08:17

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 08:17
The scam involves them getting back an "over payment" to the value of the freight, not the advertised goods.

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 08:31

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 08:31
I think the most common one has nothing to do with your goods and they are not interested in what you are selling
The whole aim of the game is to gain your trust and trick you into thinking they have paid money into your account plus an additional amount for a third party freighting or handling company or whatever other reason that sounds plausible. They would then get you to pay that third party from your account thinking they had already provided those funds to you. It is usually a Western Union bank account that they ask you to pay into.
They don't want your vehicle as it is a trackable / traceable entity plus they are not even in Australia to collect it
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Follow Up By: Member - johnat - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 20:53

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 20:53
Scam mostly works like this ...
You agree, give them PayPal details
They make payment to the account
You accept payment and hand over goods
They then claim non-delivery from PayPal and
get their money refunded and you are left with zilch, no money, no goods.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 22:21

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 22:21
Yes but PayPal does not give a refund without first checking the sellers side of the story to confirm he situation
I went through a PayPal dispute myself and thought they were quite thorough with their investigation before refunding me my money
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 21:48

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 at 21:48
I will ban the account - just let us know about these scammers and we will take action.

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Reply By: Kilcowera Station Stay - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 07:49

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 07:49
I advertised our 80 series on this website and good old Fred popped up fairly quickly too. Just ignore it. Annoying though aren't they? Cheers Toni
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Reply By: uppy - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 10:42

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 10:42
Nik my son got the same reply for his gq on Gumtree .Its all a scam.Cheers uppy
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Reply By: allein m - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 14:51

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 14:51
I just did a red book price on a Nissan patrol of the same year only it is a wagon

Private Price Guide $15,100 - $17,600
* Trade In Price Guide $11,800 - $14,300
* Average Km 140,000 - 230,000
* Price When New $51,990*

So is the new body work worth $30k and how would you insure it at at say $47,950 cause do they not insure the vehicle at market value

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Follow Up By: Member - string - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 18:16

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 18:16
Last I heard of gaylord (or one of it's kin) it was on an oil tanker in the Indian ocean, and it wanted to buy the cement mixer I was selling on ebay, for its father.(thanks very bloody much!)I am fairly convinced it doesent have one. I have tried to not be sexist.
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Follow Up By: Member - Silverchrome - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 18:38

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 18:38
Hi Allein,

Thanks for your concern about the price but with respect I must disagree with you. I believe your research is deficient in that you may have not priced the exact model and/or quoted the cheaper 3.0litre TD model. I never put much faith in redbook numbers or any other valuation. But if you do use “value your car” on Carsales.com the figure for a 4.2TD 2005 Patrol ST L GUIV is $26,800 - $30,700 for a private sale (this is the exact model mine was originally). Suggested Kms for a 2005 model range from 140,000-230,000. Mine is about midway.
But if you go to carsales and search for 2005 models of that description listed for sale you get 15 vehicles for sale. The top 10 have Kms under 200,000 and range in price from a low of $42,980 to a high of $53,500. Thus my point is that the majority of sellers are asking prices way in excess of any redbook or value your car valuations.
(tradein prices are irrelevant…I am selling privately not trading in).
If you look at straight 2005 cab/chassis with the 4.2 TD there are many for sale around $39,000 to $40,000 with similar kms.
Beside all of those comparisons mine has just had $1300 spent on 4 brand new Brst697’s tyres and has many $1,000s of other “fruit”. I know you never get much money back an accessories but the fact as they have some value.
At the end of the day market forces will determine the sale price. I have set my starting price but obviously there is always negotiation on these things.
To answer your question…insurance is not an issue. Just insure for agreed value.
Cheers

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Reply By: jacent - Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 17:56

Thursday, Jul 03, 2014 at 17:56
Give him your banking details and get a bank transfer
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Reply By: Member - Odog - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 19:44

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 19:44
Darwin research project, that's different.. Thought they were merchant sailors.. Last time I put an add on line... Couldn't get to a phone, only emails.. One mate played along with them for weeks, before they figured him out.. Scum bags pricks...
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Follow Up By: Member - Odog - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 19:54

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 19:54
My mate also received bogus pay pal receipt, they tried real hard, when it comes to your hard earned coin, trust should be a dirty word...
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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 20:43

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 20:43
It's no big deal, just a fact of life now with internet advertising, just tell him that you've sold it to a Nigerian prince & get on with trying to sell it to genuine enquiries.

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Reply By: The Bantam - Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 23:11

Friday, Jul 04, 2014 at 23:11
If you advertise a vehicle anywhere on the internet and you don't get one of those bogus enquiries....you probably need to check you listing is actually working.

These guys are just everywhere.

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