Which Troopy?

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 06:59
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I'm looking at Troopies, trying to get an idea of which will be best to look at purchasing.

A friend of mine has recommended the HDJ78 as being the pick of the bunch. What is a realistic price range for these in good condition and are there any other models I should consider?

It will be used for living out of, getting well off the beaten track and I dare say, carrying a good amount of gear.

Have decided to steer clear of the pop top so I can have a decent roof rack fitted. Would love factory turbo also, just have to take budget into scope.

I really want a quality car that's been looked after.

Thanks :)
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Reply By: get outmore - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 09:55

Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 09:55
Ive got a pop top and yes I cant think of really any idea for fitting a rack to carry my kayak without going into serious effort.
the HDJ78 will still be fetching serious money in good nick
a friend of mine looked for a ute of that type and the cheapest were early 30s (discounting the od real rough ones) and they had a fair bit of ks and had seen some work ones with lower ks private use only were from 40k up
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:32

Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:32
Don't know a lot about troopies, Wildman, but have an '02 HDJ79.

I'd try to stretch the budget to get the factory turbo, even if you have to give up beer and food for 12 months. But if you found an immaculate 1HZ in your price range, then wouldn't pass that up either.

And I wouldn't plan on putting too much weight on this roof rack either.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:37

Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:37
Wildman,

Our 1987 Troopy FJ75 isn't available, but has asked me to commend your good taste.

He points out that you might be interested in how he himself is set up for living out of, going seriously bush, and generally doing all the heavy lifting. Details here.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 14:58

Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 14:58
I'd prefer the post 1999 models because they have a coil spring front end and much longer rear leaf springs.
I'd steer clear of the 1999-2006 HZJ78 because they are underpowered, have a considerably weaker gearbox, and don't take kindly to an aftermarket turbo (overheat and cracks in pistons and precombustion chambers). Usually go for around $20k.

As above, the 2001-2006 HDJ78 (factory turbo 6 cyl) was a great vehicle. Won't overheat and has the stronger gearbox. Just need to maintain it properly now its getting older - valve clearances are tricky, timing belt and bearing, as well as the usual things like wheel bearings, swivel hubs and all the oils. Might set you back $35-40k for a good one (rare).

The 2007-current VDJ78 (V8 turbo) has a few teething problems that Toyota has quietly sorted. I'd go for the 2010+ models, but it still has a rear wheel track that is 100mm less than the front. Matters if you're running skinny split rims, less so if you're running wide tyres. There was a substantial upgrade with airbags around 2010 and last year with ABS. Can pick them up for $40k plus

You mentioned roofrack - the Troopies are skinny and the roof is high - any amount of weight up there and it will sway around and there's a reason many troopies reach their end in rollovers.
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Reply By: Wildman - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 15:03

Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 15:03
Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming.

I'm feeling like the HDJ78 might be out of my price range and may have to look for an older, well looked after model when the time is right.

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 20:51

Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 20:51
If you tell us your price range, you'll get a better answer.
Anyway, if you can't afford a HDJ78, then I'd go with the 1990-1999 1Hz (had the better H55F gearbox and don't add a turbo.
Lets face it, you are not buying a vehicle, you are buying a lifestyle.
If it's a bit slower up the hills, so what? If it gets stuck up the steep sandhills, then that's fine - you'll soon learn, like everyone in the past how to get every ounce of energy out of that motor and how to drive it.
Might cost you $10-15k.
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 16:08

Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 16:08
Wildman,
I would avoid any troopy that has had an after market turbo added unless you can get very detailed history. The engines were not designed for turbo and it needs a lot more than just bolting on a turbo to a 1Hz. The factory fitted turbo engines are generally good but as said previously there are particular models that are better than others due to suspension and gearbox.

We have a 1995 1Hz troopy which we bought when it had just under 300K on the clock. It was well used but did not appear to have been abused and the engine ran well. I rebuilt the running gear and installed new springs, shocks, bushes and anything that looked worn. The engine was not touched other than a good clean and tidying up some altered wiring and of course a flush and all new filters etc. I replaced some seals and bearings in the axles and diffs.

We fitted the vehicle out inside for remote travelling and put a few creature comforts in the front. Since then 6 years have passed and we have done some good trips with no problems other than a intermittent short which took ages to find and was due to a bodgy bit of wiring for driving lights which I removed. Our travels have involved one trip of 9 months and 40K through Russia and central Asia.

The point I am making is that if your budget is limited then you can make a very reliable vehicle without spending a fortune. When we are on a decent trip we do not travel fast and the lack of a turbo is not an issue. We prefer to see the sights and relax. We do not tow with it.

We also have a 100 series wagon with the 1HD-FTE engine, which is a totally different vehicle and good to tow, do short trips and generally drives like a car.

Yes I would have liked a troopy with coils up front and the longer rear leaves but for what it was intended for our troopy has been great. If it had to tow or go anywhere in a hurry it would be a disaster. Just make sure you match the vehicle to your needs and expectations.

cheers
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Reply By: wombat100 - Friday, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:14

Friday, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:14
70 series- 1HZ with Denco turbo !!

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Reply By: Fossil Phill - Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 01:41

Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 01:41
The HZ engine was factory turbo'd right up until 2012.
It was fitted to Coaster busses, which are far heavier, and have a far greater payload than a troupie, so the HZ is certainly built for a turbo according the Toyota engineers. (google HZB51)
My HZ which has 418,000 on the clock just got a turbo for its 21 birthday, and I am not expecting any issues.
Either the std CT26 turbo as used on HD-t engines, or GTurbo Grunter (CT26 based) would be my choice, but the Safari has a great reputation on the HZ too.
As stated, gearbox is probably the biggest concern in certain year/models.
Good luck with whatever you end up with.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 20:45

Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 20:45
While on google, you may as well google...1Hz turbo overheat....
or ....1hz precombustion chamber.... or ......1hz cracked piston.....
A lot of reading there!
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 22:49

Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 22:49
And from my "Coaster" reading,
HZB51 was a normally aspirated diesel coaster with 1Hz.
HDB51 was the factory turbo with the 1HD-FTE.
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Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:43

Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:43
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Coaster
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Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:46

Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:47

Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:47
http://www.customcoasterconversions.com.au/Toyota-Coaster.html
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Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:47

Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:47
Need anymore?
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Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:50

Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:50
http://absolutezero.forumotion.com/t150-repair-manual-toyota-coaster

Under 5 minutes to find these so far, Just say if you are still in denial, I'll get some more for you.
Cheers.
PhillT
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:16

Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:16
Hehe,
I spent an hour looking it up and checking and found the same links as you!
Tell me, is there a reason the conversion people in your link make no mention of a HZB51?
Wikipedia was incorrect.
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Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:40

Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:40
HZB50, HZB51, are Coaster models. The engine is 1HZ-T, and is fitted to both of those models.

If you give me your email address, I'll send you a page from a well known parts supplier, listing the engine model, with & without intercooler.
Cheers,
PhillT.
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Reply By: Wildman - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2014 at 17:20

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2014 at 17:20
What are your thoughts on this Troopy guys?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toyota-Landcruiser-troopy-4x4-1996-Manual-4x4-4-2L-TURBO-Diesel-EXTRAS-/261636736102?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3ceac3c466

Not factory turbo, so maybe few issues down the track?
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2014 at 17:35

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2014 at 17:35
Looks pretty tidy, Wildman.

I'd buy it, and the bonus is, you get a free dog too. :-)

I don't know about issues with the a/m turbo, there's a couple running around here with equivalent number of clicks on them. Some tend to get a bit hot?

All set up for adventure anyway.

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Reply By: MarkLH69 - Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 00:34

Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 00:34
The 1HZ is very long lasting in standard form, but lacks in grunt compared to the factory turbo diesels.
Big difference in price though .. and there are a lot of 1HZ that have been turboed and gone on to do a lot more Km without going bang.
Putting a turbo on a 1HZ is still a long way off a 1HD-FTE and you can't run too much boost 10-12 psi max and would want to make sure its tuned right and has a hiflow exhaust.
If the factory turbo 1HD-FTE is too much $ then i would look for a good 1HZ 78 series and then get it turboed yourself if you feel the need.
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Follow Up By: MarkLH69 - Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 00:42

Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 00:42
You can also find more info at "Troopcarriers of Australia" on facebook or the 70s section of the lcool.org forums.
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Reply By: Wildman - Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 21:55

Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 21:55
opinions/advice on either of these? the second one in Taz does look good for the km's

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Toyota-Landcruiser-2001/SSE-AD-3048943/?Cr=2&sdmvc=1

http://www.exploroz.com/Classifieds/Vehicles.aspx?id=22954
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 22:44

Thursday, Oct 30, 2014 at 22:44
You just need to decide if the Tassie one is worth another 10 big ones, for roughly half the clicks. It doesn't appear to have much fruit on it, compared to the previous two.

I still like the first one. :-)

Don't forget to add the price of the boat trip onto the Tassie vehicle, and your travels to get there.........and fuel to drive it back.

Yeah, I think I still like the first one..........

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