Which Troopy?
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 06:59
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Wildman
I'm looking at Troopies, trying to get an idea of which will be best to look at purchasing.
A friend of
mine has recommended the HDJ78 as being the pick of the bunch. What is a realistic price range for these in good condition and are there any other models I should consider?
It will be used for living out of, getting
well off the beaten track and I dare say, carrying a good amount of gear.
Have decided to steer clear of the pop top so I can have a decent roof rack fitted. Would love factory turbo also, just have to take budget into scope.
I really want a quality car that's been looked after.
Thanks :)
Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 14:58
Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 14:58
I'd prefer the post 1999 models because they have a coil spring front end and much longer rear leaf springs.
I'd steer clear of the 1999-2006 HZJ78 because they are underpowered, have a considerably weaker gearbox, and don't take kindly to an aftermarket turbo (overheat and cracks in pistons and precombustion chambers). Usually go for around $20k.
As above, the 2001-2006 HDJ78 (factory turbo 6 cyl) was a great vehicle. Won't overheat and has the stronger gearbox. Just need to maintain it properly now its getting older - valve clearances are tricky, timing belt and bearing, as
well as the usual things like wheel bearings, swivel hubs and all the oils. Might set you back $35-40k for a good one (rare).
The 2007-current VDJ78 (V8 turbo) has a few teething problems that Toyota has quietly sorted. I'd go for the 2010+ models, but it still has a rear wheel track that is 100mm less than the front. Matters if you're running skinny split rims, less so if you're running wide tyres. There was a substantial upgrade with airbags around 2010 and last year with ABS. Can pick them up for $40k plus
You mentioned roofrack - the Troopies are skinny and the roof is high - any amount of weight up there and it will sway around and there's a reason many troopies reach their end in rollovers.
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 16:08
Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 16:08
Wildman,
I would avoid any troopy that has had an after market turbo added unless you can get very detailed history. The engines were not designed for turbo and it needs a lot more than just bolting on a turbo to a 1Hz. The factory fitted turbo engines are generally good but as said previously there are particular models that are better than others due to
suspension and gearbox.
We have a 1995 1Hz troopy which we bought when it had just under 300K on the clock. It was
well used but did not appear to have been abused and the engine ran
well. I rebuilt the running gear and installed new springs, shocks, bushes and anything that looked worn. The engine was not touched other than a good clean and tidying up some altered wiring and of course a flush and all new filters etc. I replaced some seals and bearings in the axles and diffs.
We fitted the vehicle out inside for remote travelling and put a few creature comforts in the front. Since then 6 years have passed and we have done some good trips with no problems other than a intermittent short which took ages to find and was due to a bodgy bit of wiring for
driving lights which I removed. Our travels have involved one trip of 9 months and 40K through Russia and central Asia.
The point I am making is that if your budget is limited then you can make a very reliable vehicle without spending a fortune. When we are on a decent trip we do not travel fast and the lack of a turbo is not an issue. We prefer to see the sights and relax. We do not tow with it.
We also have a 100 series wagon with the 1HD-FTE engine, which is a totally different vehicle and good to tow, do short trips and generally drives like a car.
Yes I would have liked a troopy with coils up front and the longer rear leaves but for what it was intended for our troopy has been great. If it had to tow or go anywhere in a hurry it would be a disaster. Just make sure you match the vehicle to your needs and expectations.
cheers
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Reply By: Fossil Phill - Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 01:41
Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 01:41
The HZ engine was factory turbo'd right up until 2012.
It was fitted to Coaster busses, which are far heavier, and have a far greater payload than a troupie, so the HZ is certainly built for a turbo according the Toyota engineers. (google HZB51)
My HZ which has 418,000 on the clock just got a turbo for its 21 birthday, and I am not expecting any issues.
Either the std CT26 turbo as used on HD-t engines, or GTurbo Grunter (CT26 based) would be my choice, but the Safari has a great reputation on the HZ too.
As stated, gearbox is probably the biggest concern in certain year/models.
Good luck with whatever you end up with.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 20:45
Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 20:45
While on google, you may as
well google...1Hz turbo overheat....
or ....1hz precombustion chamber.... or ......1hz cracked piston.....
A lot of reading there!
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 22:49
Saturday, Oct 25, 2014 at 22:49
And from my "Coaster" reading,
HZB51 was a normally aspirated diesel coaster with 1Hz.
HDB51 was the factory turbo with the 1HD-FTE.
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Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:47
Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:47
Need anymore?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:16
Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:16
Hehe,
I spent an hour looking it up and checking and found the same links as you!
Tell me, is there a reason the conversion people in your link make no mention of a HZB51?
Wikipedia was incorrect.
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Follow Up By: Fossil Phill - Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:40
Sunday, Oct 26, 2014 at 18:40
HZB50, HZB51, are Coaster models. The engine is 1HZ-T, and is fitted to both of those models.
If you give me your email address, I'll send you a page from a
well known parts supplier, listing the engine model, with & without intercooler.
Cheers,
PhillT.
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