Alternative tow vehicle

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 13:55
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Hi Folks,

After recently purchasing a very well priced second hand 2012 Cub Supamatic Drover fitted with all the bells and whistles (think A/C, Boat, boat loader, 9.9hp outboard, 2nd spare wheel) we decided to have our first run in her last week.

While the camper is absolutely fantastic there is an issue with the suitability of our current tow vehicle (2007 Mitsubishi Triton, petrol 3.5lt auto fitted with the normal touring bits incl Redarc controller, snorkel, canopy, radio, spotties, rear spring assister etc).

After disappointingy finding out on the trip that we need to really upgrade our tow rig to a heavier more robust turbo diesel Landcruiser (as the poor Mitsu 3.5 Auto wouldn't pull the skin off of a custard when the combo's going to be loaded up to near GVM 1500kg) I'm attempting to find out what other series of L/C's will potentially suit the hubs/wheel combo fitted to the camper so as we can use the same rims/wheels combo on the camper as we do on the tow vehicle (camper has two spares).

The previous owner towed the full rig using a 1998 100 Series 6 cylinder petrol GXL Landcruiser and when purchasing the camper had Cub fit '100 Series Hubs' to it. I spoke with Cub and they could not provide much information other that the owner specified ' 5 stud Landcruiser hubs' ie with no reference to IFS/Beam axle and PCD requirements.

Based on my homework on the internet I believe that the 1998 100 Series Auto GXL petrol L/C had a beam axle (non IFS) and was fitted with 5 x 150 rims with 0mm offset wheels (still to take a rim down to the local Tyrepower to confirm that is what is fitted to the camper though!) and that the IFS L/C's (ie 105 Series aka revitalised 80 Series) had a 60mm offset.

Guess the big question is could anyone advise what other L/C's use a 5 x 150 0 offset wheel (eg HDJ100R 100 series, 78 Series, Troopy's with the 100 Series 0mm offset rims not fitting a 105/200 Series) as we'll need to start the process of looking around for an alternative tow tug (4.5 lt 6cyl diesel (not thirsty V8), turbo, manual, Dual tanks with as many bells and whistles we can get) at a reasonable price before heading off next year for an indeterminent period working our way around/through cattle properties, farms, (well anything really as the partner's a chef and baker & I'm handy on the tools).

While I could go down the path of a full build program on the Triton (ie 2" lift, auto box rebuild, L/R tank exhaust etc and cost >$10-$14k) she'll still be underdone in the engine department, still be petrol and still be an auto (the loving partner being a country lady who hates Auto's!!) so it's not worth the money so a change is in the wind for a trade up ASAP.

Thanks for reading, looking forward to your replies & ideas.

Cheers,

Andrew & Jo
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Reply By: Member - Dough Boy - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 14:37

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 14:37
Hi there,
Don't be too quick to write of a v8 cruiser , I have a similar camper to yourself & tow with a 76 series wagon (4.5 ltr V8) in so far as fuel economy I get approx 10.7 lts/100 km
When towing it goes up no further than 12 when fully loaded , the cruiser gets max torque from about 1200 rpm so towing anywhere is a breeze ,they only come in manual trans , so all my boxes were ticked , just wish I bought one sooner
Hope this helps
Cheers
DB
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Follow Up By: Trekabout - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 14:47

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 14:47
Thanks for the feedback DB,

I really like the turbo diesel 76 Series V8 so might have to keep the up sell program happening on my partner in crime - the leading lady drives a very early 6cyl 4.0 lt diesel Troopy (non turbo with 550k km on it) atm and she loves the Troopy shape so might work out if the rims will fit from the camper to the 76/78 Series and go from there.

Cheers,

Andrew & Jo
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Follow Up By: Member - Rosco from way back - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 15:39

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 15:39
Crikey DB, you're doing exceptionally well there. My 79 with lightly loaded canopy won't do much better than mid 12's around town and 15's on the highway towing our CT (about 1Tonne). Worse if you poke the loud pedal.

Travelled with an earlier 6 cyl 70 series and I was actually doing better than him, but no where near your figures.
Having said that, if I was concerned about fuel consumption, I wouldn't have bought the rig and have no regrets in that regard.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dough Boy - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 15:56

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 15:56
Rosco
No one was more (pleasantly) surprised than me, had always wanted the truck and had accepted that I would probs get around 13 , I do a mix of highway and city .
Recently went to the Birdsville races and drove into a head wind for 2 days towing the camper, sat on 95 km most of the time on the blacktop and it still delivered 13.5 ,
No complaints here !
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Reply By: gbc - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 15:30

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 15:30
Changing wheels and hubs on a camper is a sub $1k excercise. I would never allow that constraint to force my hand when choosing a vehicle.
Do your homework on tow vehicles then make the camper fit it.
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 16:22

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 16:22
Indeed. Don't let the tail wag the dog.
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Follow Up By: CSeaJay - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2014 at 16:26

Wednesday, Nov 05, 2014 at 16:26
Mine was sub $600 to change. Agree with all comments here
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Reply By: Peter T9 - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 17:49

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 17:49
Hi Andrew and Jo

Speaking for the wagons only all the IFS Landcruisers (100 and 200 series) have the same 60mm (I think) offset.

Only the 105 series will have the offset you are looking at with the five stud pattern therefore engine choice will be 1HZ or the 4.5 litre 6 cylinder petrol. I would not go down the 1HZ path as it is not really suitable for towing. The petrol would be fine.

I wouldn't get too caught up on matching camper wheels to vehicle. I tow a 1.5 tonne camper with six stud 15" Landcruiser using a HDJ100R which is totally incompatible for rims.

If your trailer tyres are light truck construction with plenty of tread you will be ok.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2014 at 17:33

Wednesday, Nov 05, 2014 at 17:33
Peter T9, Yep agree with that ,my 75 series 1hz troopy has a great engine with the right badge but not a great tow vehicle
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Reply By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 21:05

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2014 at 21:05
Hi Andrew & Jo
I have a 2012 Supamatic Drover totaly loaded when travelling and tow with a 2009 Pajero D4D Diesel auto with HD suspension & air bags.
Have had no problem towing camper all around ie- Flinders Ranges / Birdsville via Walkers crossing to Innamincka / NSW & QLD & VIC & SA outback ( mud / sand ) and have never had a problem, plenty of power. Just letting you know
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2014 at 16:44

Wednesday, Nov 05, 2014 at 16:44
Boy would a love a V8 landy that gets 12/litres per/100km(towing) .No offence but this may be another punter who needs to check how he works out his fuel consumption . My mate has one towing a small camper travelling at 90-100 kms gets about 15,s
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Reply By: Karen H8 - Thursday, Nov 06, 2014 at 00:47

Thursday, Nov 06, 2014 at 00:47
Hello,
Its very impressive what you have written about tow vehicle will surely forward to others as well.
Thank you
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