75 series leaking oil from top of gearbox????

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:34
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Hey guys I'm struggling to work this out! I have a leak from the top of my box I have no idea where it's coming from and it's starting to really do my head in! Any ideas or info on this would be greatly appreciated! Cheers guys, also new to the forum, this is my first post! Cheers again!
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Reply By: Steve in Kakadu - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:54

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:54
There is a rubber boot over the top of the GBox were the gear stick enters the GBox, this may have come a drift, next to that as a breather that sits between the 2 gear sticks. To access these you need to take the floor mat out and then you can unscrew the rubber boot off the floor, once you have done that you should be able to see the problem, sorry there is no other way.

The you may want to check your levels in the transfer case as the seal between the GBox and Transfer case on the older models can fail and leak into the gear Box leaving you little to no oil in the Transfer case, if that is the case then there is a hose you can buy that is a quick easy and cheap way to fix the problem.
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 13:00

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 13:00
As has been said the seal between the transfer case and gearbox can go causing the transfer case to pump oil into the gearbox leaving the transfer empty eventually.
Unfortunately this symptom is usually a sign of bigger problems with the transfer case which could ultimately lead to loss of drive to the wheels.
You don't say what vintage the 75 is but several models had problems with the main input splines wearing away which then allowed the gear to spin on the shaft which stopped the drive to the wheels.
Best to get an experienced 4wd place to have look at it before that happens as the resulting to could cost more than repairs.
I had it nearly happen twice on two troopies, the first one an 87 2H powered one and the second time an early 90's 1hz powered model. Both started pumping oil into the gearbox which instigated further investigation. Parts can be bought from Don Kyatt/Terrain Tamer for much less than genuine but the Toyota gaskets are of better quality.
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Follow Up By: mike39 - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 13:44

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 13:44
As Peter says.
I have suffered catastrophic failure of the transfer case due to it pumping oil into the gearbox.
The problem starts with wear of the splines in the T/C input shaft and creating end float for the input gear. The oil passes along the splines and through the mainshaft bearing. The oil seal runs on a lip on the input drive gear, has no control over the oil passing along the splines and through the bearing.
This shortage of oil in my T/C caused collapse of the idler gear/shaft bearings (caged rollers) which combined with spline wear of the input shaft disengaged the gears sufficiently to initially chip teeth then destroy the gears.
Luckily I was still mobile and able to effect a replacement transmission without an horrendous recovery cost.
I had travelled less than 6000km. since the last oil change when all levels were correct. It may take no more than 1000km. to empty the T/C then not much more to destroy it.
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 15:38

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 15:38
I forgot to add that when I checked the input shaft splines in the transfer case after noticing changing oil levels that instead of being square section about 3mm they were at best 1mm triangles, very very close to total failure.
It isn't hard to check the wear between the input shaft splines and the main drive gear, drain the oil, remove the PTO cover (big oval cover on LHS), remove the "top hat" cover at the top on the back of the transfer, then with no load on the drivetrain, holding the shaft and gear with your hands see how much movement there is between the two, there should be virtually none.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 15:40

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 15:40
Benny,

Further to the others advice, we effected a temporary "fix" on a 75 series work ute, with some silastic, as we were busy at the time and needed the vehicle.

Cleaned up the top of the transfer case, and in doing so found a piece of gasket sticking up above the t'case. Got the case as clean as possible, using rags, solvent etc and ran a strip of silastic along the t'case join, and let it set over night.

Don't remember it being a huge success, but did decrease the loss of oil, until we received the gasket and got time to do the job. We had a service ramp as well, and ran the ute up on it each night to top the level up.

In another incident, we had an '84 HJ60 wagon fitted with one of these "transfer hoses" (available from ENZED) and it also developed a leaking rear t'case seal. Long and short was, over a 1200km round trip to Mt Isa, as the oil leaked out of the t'case, the hose was also draining the gearbox oil. Travelled home last 40 clicks with only 3rd and 4th gears. Reconditioned tranny about $3800.

There was recent thread here, maybe last month or so, that was addressing the loss of motion, with L/C vehicles/transfer cases.

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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:10

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:10
Re replacement of the gasket between the t'case halves, we merely removed the rear tranny cross arm, and lowered the tranny with a bottle jack. Of course removed the rear tail shaft first. Split the case after cleaning off all accumulated dirt, insects, grass seeds and prickles. No doubt some flex in the engine mounts, and if they can't take it then need replacing anyway. The fan will foul the shroud too, but gently lowering the jack shouldn't cause any damage.

And talking of those plastic fans, I'd think that a 75 might need a new one, just to keep on top of any dramas...........the originals fans are now well over 20 years old.

Probably a good time to check for any wear as Peter detailed, and certainly tighten up the big nut on the shaft.

Having a service ramp, ours wasn't a flash hydraulic one :-), makes a difference as you can stand up to effect repairs.

Not sure how such a repair would go on a 79 series, as when I checked mine the other day, the "top hat" Peter mentioned has been replaced by an flat alloy plate, and there doesn't seem to be a great deal of clearance between rear of case and the fuel tank. Will find out if it happens, I guess?

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Follow Up By: mike39 - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:10

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:10
That may have been a previous post of mine Bob
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Reply By: The Bantam - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 23:21

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 23:21
The seal between the transfer case and gearbox failing and oil traveling from one to the other and over flowing is far from uncommon.

No doubt the wise course of action is a trip to the gearbox specilist.

There is a short term work around...I believe there even may be a kit for it.

You replace either both drain plugs or both fill plugs with a right angle barb connecter and connect the two with a short length of hose.

the oile that is pushed from one to the other thn flows back where it came from.

My view is that it would bebetter to replace the fill plugs, but the drain plugs are easier to get to.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 23:24

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 23:24
BTW its probaly not comming out of any seal at the top, it will be comming out of the breather.

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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 23:33

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2014 at 23:33
Yep that is pretty much what everyone else said.
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Follow Up By: bluefella - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:01

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:01
Hi Bantam
Does this problem happen with the 100 series, HDJ100R 1hdfte.
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11
Hi Bluefella

Those gearboxes are different to the one that had the seal fail, so the answer on no, however one of my 100 series did have the rubber boot that sealed the gear stick to the gearbox come adrift, I found it after a few days of getting water in the gearbox.

I thought I had a split case, but after near pulling the box out found the problem, I was able to put it back on and it sorted the problem, no more water which was good as it was doing a .8 metre water crossing twice a day.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Friday, Nov 21, 2014 at 18:46

Friday, Nov 21, 2014 at 18:46
Bantam,

Just a couple of thoughts on your post.

If one was to use the drain plugs instead of the filler plugs, using one of these hose kits, the oil would find its own level, leaving the gearbox lacking oil, and the t'case would be overfull, by quite an amount. Far better to use the filler plugs, or bite the bullet, and get a new seal fitted.

Second thought was that a drain mounted hose would be susceptible to damage from over aggressive driving in off road situations?

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Reply By: get outmore - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 00:23

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 00:23
yes agree. and it takes surprisingly little extra oil in the gearbox to have the gearbox leaking from various orrafices .
those hoses from the fillers do FA.
I had one but still had to periodically drain gearbox and fill transfer.
like I said it was surprisingly little each time.
about 300ml but that was enough to cause the symptoms you describe
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Reply By: Benny C1 - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 18:06

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 18:06
Thanks everyone for your help, I have already put a hose on quite a few months back because of the seal, but I'm still getting oil leaks and smell still when I go for a drive! I will have another look this weekend when I replace the oil again and get back to you guys thanks heaps boys for your feedback most appreciated
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Follow Up By: gbc - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 20:12

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 20:12
The dirty great cable tie I put around where the boot fixes to the gear stick on my 80 series is still in place and still stopping hot oil smells in the cab. That was 12 years ago.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 20:15

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2014 at 20:15
as I said my experience is those equiliser hoses do nothing
why replace the oil?

just drain it to correct level from geabox and top up transfer

i had exactly as you describe with the same set up and occasionally id need to do that and as i said im not talking about much oil.

first time I did it i was disapointed as it looked like no where near enough extra oil in the gearbox to do anything
- but it fixed the issue of gearbox weeping oil for a good few months
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