Good News Story - Goodbye Feral Cats!

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Feral Cat Baits


Bye bye moggies.

Now, if we could only adapt it for the Camels...

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Reply By: Robyn R4 - Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:09

Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:09
Considering they've been here since before the First Fleet, that'd be one heck of an achievement-fingers crossed!
Now for the cane toads...
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Reply By: Bushranger1 - Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:15

Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:15
Great stuff John.
I own & manage 2 Conservation Covenanted properties & spend a lot of time trying to get rid of feral cats among other pest species.
Many of our small to mid size Australian animals are in real trouble because of them so it would be nice to see a similar program over here in the East too.

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Reply By: Michael H9 - Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:57

Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:57
I hope they don't kill all the black panthers before I get to see one... :-)


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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:27

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:27
Hi Michael,

I'm not sure about the BP's, but I believe Yowies are not susceptible, so at least that's good...

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 08:30

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 08:30
I have already spotted my once in a lifetime black panther
It was out the back of Lucknow near Orange about 5 years ago :)
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 08:43

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 08:43
A friend saw one 20 metres away when he was checking a pump on his creek, scared the crap out of him. He went and warned his lady neighbour but she said she saw it all the time and wasn't concerned. All this at Kurrajong.
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Reply By: Member-George (WA) - Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:58

Friday, Jan 30, 2015 at 23:58
Just what we need, more 1080 poison spread around the country. Never mind the innocent animals that get killed with the 1080 poison, like dogs travelling around the country with their owners. There has to be a better way than spreading poison baits.
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:28

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:28
If there's a better way, I'm all for it...If it's better, then even fewer moggies sooner...

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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 08:19

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 08:19
Yep and never mind the tens of thousands of native animals killed by cats every year. What a selfish attitude you have. Keep your dog in sight and on a lead in suspect areas or in public areas should see your doggy alright. Don't forget that peoples dogs that have gone wild also do an incredible amount of carnage to our native wildlife. I am a dog lover myself but I also know that with being a dog owner (same as cat owners) comes responsibility. Can guarantee mine will never pick up a bait or roam out of my sight.

This news about the cats is fantastic. Yes, there may be a small number of animals accidently killed with the baits but nothing compared to the impact cats have on wildlife..

Look at the big picture, not just your own interest..
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:35

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:35
Any animal wandering around in the bush is not innocent, even they if they may be a family pet. Not the pets fault but rather the owners though. RSPCA have successfully prosecuted an owner whose pet died from 1080 bait picked up in a Conservation Park in WA

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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:10

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:10
Absolutely! There is plenty of signage to indicate the baits are in the baited areas warning dog owners.

The regulations are clear that baits MUST be place well off walking tracks in the bush so if the dog is restrained it cannot get at the baits. Cant remember the exact distance.

We have been stopped from Fox baiting in a public bushland reserve near home because an UNRESTRAINED dog took a Fox bait that was laid per regulation off the public walking tracks.

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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:14

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:14
I might also add that if dog owners loved their animals they would keep them under control so they would not be harmed.
Yes I am a RESPONSIBLE previous dog owner.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bentaxle - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 16:00

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 16:00
The baiting itself isn't the problem in regards to innocent animals, the problem is the additional spreading of these baits from their designated areas by crows and raptors that have an immunity to the 1080
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:00

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:00
Eradicat is hardly new, as a 1080 based bait made to be palatable to cats as the 1080 dogs baits didn't appeal. As our WA native animals such as the Chuditch have a tolerance to 1080, the use of these baits has proved successful in bringing Chuditch populations back from the brink with cat baiting programmes and translocations.

The baiting of predatory animals in WA has been the topic of a few emotive topics on the forum in the past.

This article Feral cat bait uptake in eastern Australia shows that trials have also been undertaken in the eastern states for feral cat control.

If today's media release means that the product which has been trialled for 15 years according to the article, is now available to the public no doubt the controls on its purchase and use will be as onerous as the fox baiting now is, making it practically unworkable.

I love our own cats (shut inside at night), but I love our native wildlife and feral cats have done a lot of damage.

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:32

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:32
Hi MH,

DPaW, DEC, CALM have been trying for nearly forever to make a palatable bait for feral cats; that they seem to have found the trick has to be a breakthrough, because if it was easy, it would have been launched yonks ago.

We've had pet moggies too - Sammy and Rastus, RIP, sadly.

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Reply By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:49

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 00:49
Hello John - Good stuff!!

Check out this one from out near Lake Disappointment.



Could need a double dose - Bait away.

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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 01:52

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 01:52
Big cat that! I wonder how many of our small animals have been devoured by this monster.




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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 02:07

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 02:07
Struth Greg.

I do believe that that might be the Black Panther referred to above!

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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 14:07

Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 14:07
It is not the black panther. I have seen it with one of my sheep. They are shiny black and longer tail. Any cat that can carry a 70 kg sheep is one big strong pussy.

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Reply By: Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 01:56

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 01:56
Good to see they have something the cats will go for.

Sadly the baiting program seems restricted to pastoral/farming areas - there are lots of cats out in the desert.

If only we could train feral cats to change diet and eat camels - that would be more useful.


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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 02:06

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 02:06
Don't you just love it when the EO sages throw their lateral thinking capacity onto the subject..."If only we could train feral cats to change diet and eat camels - that would be more useful".

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 09:30

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 09:30
Why stop there Phil
After they have decimated the camel population they could eat ALL of our politicians, then the Lawyers, Nissan owners (joking) and then turn on themselves. Although they probably wouldn't need to as no doubt you would get a terminal illness after devouring a politician. :)
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 09:43

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 09:43
Alby, they had an election in Russia with only 1 candidate, but you have to get more than 50% of the vote...he lost :-)

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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:31

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:31
I think John Baas from WA needs a chillout piil. Many of us know what it means without having to resort to a dictionary as you did.

Phils was a throw away line..a joke..a bit of nonsense..bit like your reply..
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:01

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:01
I didn't take the reply the same way you (BigFish) did. That's the trouble with forums in general, unless you are very particular in how you word things, you can get unexpected responses. We need to ask John Baas to clarify now. Were you having a go at Phil or complementing his lateral thinking?
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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:03

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:03
Common guys - its harmless fun - its all good from my end
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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:04

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:04
Oops should have been

Come on guys - its harmless fun - its all good from my end.


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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:08

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:08
I did wonder why you were only talking to those other guys. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:15

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:15
Sorry Phil.

Only meant in a bit of fun.


Chilling out now, Bigfish :-).

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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:30

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:30
Hi Michael H9

I didn't want any misunderstanding or escalation - I saw no malice in John's post, it took it as intended - humorous.

Lets get back to the topic - Feral Cats.


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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:36

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:36
Apologies to John Baas...

I,m taking my chill out pill as we speak..

cheers

Only one thing worse than a feral cat...that's a Geelong cat...been giving us Hawks a hard time...lol
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 14:15

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 14:15
No worries Bigfish. Phil and I sometimes 4WD together; he often takes the **** out of me too...

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Reply By: Member-George (WA) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:49

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:49
Many of you are missing my point. I would also like to see feral cats, wild dogs and foxes eradicated. After all, they are a product of our own doing. Regardless, if you have ever seen an animal die from 1080 poison you may change your mind about the application used for poisoning. It is a slow and agonising death, not quick and humane and painless, as some people seem to think.
Poison baits are either scattered, in designated areas, by hand or dropped from the air. This is the most economical way of depositing baits. The problem here is that these bait don't always stay in the area where they are dropped. Crows, for one. are very good at picking up baits and drop them well away from designated areas. I have actually seen a 1080 bait in a roadside camping area. An alternative method, although more expensive and time consuming, would be to set traps in problem areas or stake the baits so that they cannot be removed from designated areas. Just my thoughts, life was not meant to be easy.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 16:24

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 16:24
With due respect George, you have to be bloody joking about trapping.

Apart from the extreme costs involved, feral cats would be very shy about going into anything with man's scent on it, it's hard enough to get a house cat into a cat carry case let alone a wire frame trap. I wish you luck in trying.

In built up and farm (as distinct from Pastoral) land all baits are required to be staked down to prevent movement.

Pastoral lands air baiting is strictly monitored as the baits are being laid (GPS tracking) and are required NOT to be laid within a Km of any house or road and the baits are laid at no more than 2 baits/sq km.

There are a couple of previous posts here on 1080 which may help to understand the whole process.

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(who in a past life was involved in both aerial and ground baiting for fox, dogs and rabbits for about 20+ years.)

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 18:23

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 18:23
Thanks Disco :)

For those who want to know more, Disco has previously given good detailed explanations such as in Thread 95117, including the differences between the cat and dog baits, targeting each species in ways more palatable to them specifically.

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Reply By: Member - Michael P (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 15:08

Saturday, Jan 31, 2015 at 15:08
John,

Good topical post.
Tanks Mike.
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Reply By: Member - Terry. G (TAS) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 03:26

Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 03:26
Just my to bobs worth I also hate Feral Cats but have previously lost a dog to a bait in W.A. ,years ago Tied to get the dog to a vets in Kalgoorlie but had to finish up putting dog out of its misery with a claw hammer .Rang said vet and he told me baits were aerial bates in that area and looked similar to a piece of chocolate .That day I also had my then four year old son out the bush with me More recently when in the Caravan Park at Leonora they were in a state of panic as two dogs had picked up baits in the caravan park its self so obviously transferred by crows .Just what if a child had picked one up ??
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 08:19

Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 08:19
Terry,
that is different, I have only ever seen chunk meat baits that are around the size of a hands palm.

Seems different that they would use something that looked like chocolate. Sounds to me like the baits were set by someone who didn't like dogs and not part of the official baiting program.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 11:56

Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 11:56
A couple of points.
Can't speak about what happens anywhere other than in WA.
How can you be sure that the baits were obviously transferred by crows.
Did you see it happen, are you just guessing or relying on what someone said somewhere else?

The authorised baits used in pastoral WA are dried meat baits, a controlled amount of the bait is injected into a 50mm cube of red meat, usually roo, and then air dried until it shrinks to around a 30mm cube.
The only similarity to chocolate is that the dried bait is vaguely the same colour, doesn't look like or smell like chocolate.

Baits the size of the palm of the hand are more likely to be the work of a dog hater and it's more than likely that they were not 1080. It's much more likely to be strychnine and or cyanide in areas where there is or has been mining activity.

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Follow Up By: Member - Keith P (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 12:37

Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 12:37
While I agree heartily with the baiting...and have on many occasions over the years shot feral cats..it is a bit of a worry for us as we will be travelling with 2 much loved cats in our van. They are great companions...both lead well ...and generally stay inside ...but do like to get out and walk with us . Guess we will have to be keeping an eye out more hey.
We love dogs too ...but atm there is none in our lives ...so our furry mates are our family really.

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Reply By: Member - Terry. G (TAS) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 03:29

Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 03:29
Jeez sorry couple of spelling mistakes there should be in bed maybe
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Reply By: Member - Terry. G (TAS) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 15:53

Sunday, Feb 01, 2015 at 15:53
Now then I shall try and sort a couple of things out here ,the bait that my dog picked up at the time was out near Widgiemooltha and was thirty plus years ago .For those familiar with the area at the time it was when the Police got the two Harley Davison Motor Bikes to patrol the road between Kalgoorlie and Kambalda I was at the time working in both the Edwin Underlay and Jan Shafts I never seen the bait that was the then Kalgoorlie Vets description of them they were for Dingoes, when told that they looked like a piece of chocolate my comment was s#*t my son could have picked one up he said yes that's right . The incident at the Leonora caravan park was from the park owners time was when they first opened the centre there for then refugees and we were there for four days last dog had died the day before we arrived . He made a point of telling us as we had a small Maltese dog with us . Don't get me wrong gents I hate feral cats as bad as others do and have shot rather a few .My concern is that I did see a program on tv and they then stated that there was an alternative bait that could be used and the best bit about it was that there was an antidote available for it if some ones domestic pet accidentally picked up one of the this type of bait . Guess also now I don't like to see any thing man or beast suffer more than is necessary
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 20:51

Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 20:51
Yep There is a bait known as Pindone and there is an antidote for that:- Massive doses of vitamin K.

Unfortunately Pindone is really only effective on rabbits and it is fairly labour and product intensive, hence pretty expensive to do correctly, and almost impossible on a large scale eradication programme.

As far as I'm aware, there are no other baiting systems that are currently legal, in WA at least, it's either 1080 or Pindone.

There are other illegal baits which work, but if anyone thinks I am stupid enough to list them, think again.

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Reply By: Rod W - Wednesday, Feb 04, 2015 at 15:58

Wednesday, Feb 04, 2015 at 15:58
Whilst I'm 100% in favour of controls/eliminating feral pests, lets not put all the blame on the cat.

Ask yourself these questions:
If I was really starving hungry and the only food around was NATIVE animals (no ferals) would I kill a NATIVE animal to survive? Your answer should be YES.
Who brought all the feral animals into this country? Your answer should be us Humans.

In the book "Elsewhere Fine" on the Dimer family the early settlers (1800's) around the Balladonia area here in WA, it states the government of the day was transporting cats to this region to control the rabbit population, which didn't work.
And what still happens today... people are still dumping the family moggie.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, Feb 04, 2015 at 16:12

Wednesday, Feb 04, 2015 at 16:12
Doesn't matter whose fault it is , the fact is they are there and we need to get rid of them
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Feb 04, 2015 at 18:02

Wednesday, Feb 04, 2015 at 18:02
Yes - the comments are irrelevant. There is a problem - lets solve it. If anyone wishes to philosophise over the matter or feel bad about dead feral cats feel free but it wont change what needs to be done if we are going to maintain/protect/enhance natural biodiversity.

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Follow Up By: Member - graeme W (WA) - Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 17:22

Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 17:22
Gregs comments are on the money, cats have done as much damage and more likely, more than foxes and camels. How effective the baits are remains to be seen. Foxes are in large numbers in the southwest at the moment and run second to kangeroos as road kill. On a trip down south recently we counted 5 run over in a very short stretch of road and they are common on the outskirts of Bunbury and Busselton . On a recent trip to dryandra we had a fox run through the village and that area is baited all the time. Numbats are on the brink. The cat in the photo above would have been in a different position had i seen it.
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