EGR horror!
Submitted: Thursday, Feb 05, 2015 at 11:42
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Hey guys just thought I would share my experience of removing my intercooler (install a new one) on my 2011 2.5TD D22 Navara, and too my horror the black crap that was hiding in my intake actually scared me, now I am no mechanic and don't pretend to be but have basic knowledge from playing with my R32 skyline.
When I initially pulled the cooler off there was a light coating of black sludge around the piping which didn't surprise me too much but i thought id stick my finger in a see whats actually a bit deeper in the pipe and wish I didn't, but glad I did, very thick black sludge.
I had a block off plate that I bought a while ago and was tossing up whether to install it, there are a lot of contradicting stories and ended up just leaving it off.
But I can tell you know do not listen to what you read, go right now and remove your intake/
check piping and if its the same as
mine you will not believe your eyes. Now this could be an isolated instance but my car is relatively new, never missed a service and has 80,xxx kms, but have also heard of many people having the same issues.
Now I'm not telling you to do anything, but after what I just saw I will not think twice about installing my blocking plate.
Cheers
Reply By: Rangiephil - Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 10:16
Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 10:16
EGR is only open when the engine is under light load say cruising at 100Kmh.
Under any heavier load it is closed by the ECU.
While the EGR valve can be a restriction in some engines, it is really doubtful that the EGR valve will cause a drop in efficiency of the engine under full load conditions, as it is closed.
In my case I took off my inlet manifold on my Land Rover TD5 at about 140Kk and there was a lot of coke on the valve itself and that black crap in the manifold.
However a clean with a scraper and Gerni saw most of the coke transferred to my face and hair in no time.
The main thing to watch with aTD5 anyway is that the MAP sensor does not become gunged up. I believe that this is also a problem with VMs in Jeeps, 3.0 Patrols , and Mitsubishi Pajeros and probably others.. My wife's cousin had his Mitsu go into limp mode while going up Cunningham's gap towing a van. Mitsubishi replaced the manifold with a relocated MAP AFAIK .
I have left
mine in place and just monitor the MAP , and using full synthetic diesel oil it has not become coked again in 35KK. They EGR tends to coke up cars that are not run hard eg stop start around the city.
I have a delete kit but I am loath to fit it, because of possible fault lights and the fact that in a Land Rover the bolts holding the EGR plate to the exhaust manifold are known to shear off when being undone, which would be sure to happen to me.
And I don't really think it affects performance one bit.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: Rangiephil - Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 10:22
Friday, Feb 06, 2015 at 10:22
BTW, most EGR is fed in after the intercooler.
Oil in the intercooler is usually from the crankcase breather as previously posted.
One ( the main?) cause of excess oil in the inlet manifold is degradation of the Manifold Depression Valve or otherwise known as the PCV valve.
This closes off the crankcase vent under high manifold vacuum, ( as it is pre turbo, that means high load) even on a diesel, and stops excess fumes from entering the manifold.
If it is degraded/old it will not stop a lot of the oil entering the manifold.
They are usually cheap and a good investment if a car has done over 100KK.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: garrycol - Saturday, Feb 07, 2015 at 12:28
Saturday, Feb 07, 2015 at 12:28
The gunk you describe is pretty standard for EGR fitted diesels - certainly my RRS diesel inlet manifold was the same until I blanked it. My sludge was about 1cm thick after only 60,000km. The main issue for my engine (and I guess the same other CRDs) is that it can cover the Manifold Air Pressure sensor and cause issues bit this is a two minute clean.
In general terms, the egrs are open on trailing throttle feeding in exhaust gases back into the low power combustion process to reduce emissions. There is unburnt fuel in this gas and other "slush" and it is this that accumulates in the inlet system - any that gets into the engine is burnt off.
On full or power throttle the EGRs are closed and the engine burns clean air from the air filter.
That is a very general description only and it is far more complex than that.
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