RIP Defender??

Submitted: Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 15:11
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G'day all

Was talking to the Land Rover salesman and he told me that the Defender could be getting the chop by as soon as year end!! (Worldwide)

It's to do with their inability to have airbags to comply with safety standard around the World or the likes...

More like the end of another era...Stiff drinks needed..

Wil
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Reply By: Dennis (Brisbane) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 16:35

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 16:35
Last of the Aust Army Land Rovers came off the production line in 1998.

Tendering process has now started to get a replacement.
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Reply By: thomo - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 17:52

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 17:52
oh what a shame
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Reply By: Brian - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 18:00

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 18:00
Read that it will be made some where in Asia where it will be basically the same!

Brian
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 20:47

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 20:47
Wil,

Only got the Discovery, Range Rover and Freelander to go.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 20:49

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 20:49
What'll the Japs copy then?
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 21:59

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 21:59
Hear hear
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Follow Up By: thomo - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 18:09

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 18:09
coulndt have said it better wayne.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 21:26

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 21:26
Over priced, worst quality of the lot, miserable ride, noisey... Yea Id say its about time....
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Reply By: Alex H - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 21:31

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 21:31
I heard it would be made in Southern africa out of steel not alloy with all independent suspension - sounds like ford are trying to boost sales of their own 4wd's.

I'm crying into my drink at hte thought of it!
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 22:01

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 22:01
Alex

In case you're not aware, that's where they're currently made.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Alex H - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 22:23

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 22:23
Yeah? coulda sworn they were still made in Solihull
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 08:34

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 08:34
Still are, but most of those coming to Oz, including mine, come form SA
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Reply By: Jeff (Beddo) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 22:21

Thursday, Mar 18, 2004 at 22:21
I would buy a Landrover if you could get in one and close the door without it breaking your arm while doing so - or drive without having to have your elbow out the window. Also I would like one if they had cabin room, window wipers that are effective, and that did not fall apart on corrugations. Talked to QLD NPWS at Lawn Hill who have a couple of them and they were willing to pay someone to take them off there hands due to the corrugations causing the dash to come loose and one door to fall off - not real good with on 12 000 Km on them. They also said parts were slow to get, and not many dealers compared to other makes. The owner of a Defender that was with me at the time was not that pleased with what he had to say. But he did say on real rough stuff that needs low range etc to get up they are pretty good and they carry heaps. Hopefully the replacement will not be 1960's standard comforts. Look forward to what comes along, hopefully it will be priced right for what you get. I think if they produce a dual cab with comfort and leg room etc that is ablke to carry a slip on camper that would be excellent - I think Toyota etc don't make such a vehicle large enough at present - Hilux dual cab just to small. Landrovers I think apart from the lack of comfort and some reliability problems are good rough hard going 4WD's. But I want a comprise - sensible price around $40 - $50K, comfort, diesel and ability to drive around town aswell.

PS - who wants stupid air bags anyway - makes a hassle if ya hit a roo and it goes off in ya face at 110Km - WHO TURNED OFF THE LIGHTS
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Follow Up By: landcrusa - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:48

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:48
>- I think Toyota etc don't make such a vehicle large enough at present - Hilux dual cab just to small

Toyota do make the perfect dual cab vehicle, the Tundra. They just don't sell it in Australia which is a great pity.
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Reply By: landie - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:14

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:14
As usual, the people who seem to have the most problems with Landys are those that don't drive one!

Cheers
Landie
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Follow Up By: landcrusa - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:43

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 09:43
I drove 90 and 110 series for years until I discovered Toyota. 1997 Range Rover HSE was without question the worst vehicle (including cars) I ever owned, and near impossible to sell. Fond memories but no going back.
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Follow Up By: miker - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:06

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:06
I'm 40yo. and been driving "double differs" since I was 20. Have had 3 Cruisers, 1 Patrol and 2 Landrovers (Disco & Xtreme) in that time. Luckily I've not had a lemon among them...they all did what was asked. They were all used as "4WD's" and had their good points and bad.The Cruisers' were all leaf sprung, basic, robust and well built. I reckon the best "all-rounder" was my Patrol. Most comfortable was the Disco, but it also had the most warrantty issues. (+ servicing $$$ - ouch!). My current Defender (02 model) was purchased specifically to suit my outback touring ie. no frills, space, robustness, hose-out etc. Has had minor issues since purchase, but just the "usual" bits and pieces.

The big Landie has proven itself honest and capable so far(two major trips), and suited to the tasks. However, as most enlightened offroaders know, it could be so much better in some quarters. Generally though, warts and all, I love it!!

MIker.


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Reply By: Baldrick - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:37

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:37
Sad, but not really surprising. Lots of people bag the Defender but for the wrong reasons. It is a 1950s design which has been progressively modernised by the addition of technology but not much in the way of creature comforts. It's hard to tack on things like airconditioning etc due to the basic design. The metal dash in the series IIA wouldn't fall off but the tacked on plastic dash will.

What most fail to appreciate is the fact that the design has survived almost unchanged for more than 50 years. That is truly remarkable. It's about time for a completely re-vamped model, new from the ground up. I believe this is what Ford will do, but whether they will maintain the toughness and off-road ability remains to be seen!
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Follow Up By: miker - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:51

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:51
Dead right Baldrick. The challenge, when it comes, will be to not throw the baby out with the bath water. I, like many others would love to sit on that pre-production panel and put my two bobs worth the the engineers!
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Reply By: Member - Nino F (VIC) - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 19:33

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 19:33
To any one who cares.......
I first cut my teeth on landies as an apprentice at a JRA dealer (as they were in 1984) and i know first hand all the stupid fixes the factory came up with.
Then in 88 i went to the UK and worked at a Rover dealer...lots of Leyland landies
I then joined the British Army in 94 and got the 4wd bug on basic drivers cse with a
series 2 moving on to 110,s and converting to Wolf in 97. I had driven 101 forward control as a Gunner/driver till these where replaced with the pinz in 96/97
( by the way the pinzcauer IS the most capable FWD i,ve drivern)
I,m now in the Aust Army and have had a fair bit to do with Aussie 110,s which have a reputation second to none. Although getting a little old in design the army has decided to upgrade with newer model landrovers as it is said that the only replacement for a landrover, is another landrover. I currently own a 2.8 GU patrol but would happily buy a defender extreme if they were priced a little better (and my wife hadn't split her skirt climbing into one on a road test). I for one think that it's a sad end to an era for a vehicle that seems to be slagged off by people who don't own them or drive them.
Nino .... stiff drink needed indeed!
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Follow Up By: Wil - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 15:18

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 15:18
Hi
The pinzcauer is the chosen replacement for the Defender by the NZ army. We are yet to see what the Oz army will do and that would make a big impact for us all down under... Maybe Humvees since the free trade deal with the US could mean bigger savings..?
Might have to salvage a 90 out of the the existing pool and keep it with the 80 series Toyo as collector item....Long live the SOLID Patrols..:)

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Follow Up By: Member - Nino F (VIC) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 21:54

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 21:54
Wil.
I believe that HUMVEES were trialed a few years ago and found to be unsuitable for Australian conditions. For what reason I don't know.
As for the TOYO 100 IFS, do you remember when Ford dumped the V8 in the 80's only to wipe the egg from their faces and see what the market really wanted.
Nissan seem to be giving the people that buy there 4WD's what thay want.I read on this Forem that 3.0l is getting axed,I know that they had their problems but if theres a market Nissan would work thru it.
Toyota are just playing into Nissan's hands. And lets not talk about priceing........
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Follow Up By: Wil - Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 06:49

Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 06:49
Hi Nino F
It's fantastic news about the 3ltr axe. The coporate rationaliszation attempt has really back fired (3ltr motor for entire range) and people like us with 80 series are really hanging back on the decision to migrate to the Patrols.

Safari is another product that could make a dent in the SWB/recreational market, yet the motors a bit underspec at 2.8l and not available in the Southern Hemishpere thru the franchise. Remember the 2.4l SWB Land Cruisers? Good heavy truck but struggles up the hill with no sucessor in sight. The yanks have V8 in all their ranges i.e. Cruiser/Prado/4 Runners. Down under should have 6 port 4.2TD in both LWB & SWB-they like most big corporates learn their lesson long handed. Hence I now have a modern Jimny for short range recreational/play.

Cheers

Wil
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 17:04

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 17:04
Like Nino, I was a mechanic (in the UK) on Landrovers. To look inside a Landrover gearbox, engine, driveshafts or diffs is an education. Compared to a Nissan or Cruiser, they are "Mickey Mouse". The drive shafts on a Landy are about the same size as Ford Cortina! Look at a Nissan Patrol - they are about the same thickness as yer average 10 tonne truck!

How the hell The British Empire was won using Landrovers is beyond me!

Though I now drive a Toyota Cruiser, I reckon a Nissan Patrol is beyond doubt the most unbreakable 4WD in "Oz". I owned 3 Patrols over 15 years and caned hard in rough bush work as a professional gold prospector - couldn't break 'em. Except for a front top spring overwrap eye when I inadvertently drove off 6 metre rock drop off at night. Boy that shook me but it was self inflicted. Couldn't even make 'em leak oil. If Nissan could give me a vehicle with as much grunt as my TD 100 series, I'd buy one tommorow.

Bilbo

Bilbo
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