winchs

Submitted: Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 21:59
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Thinking about getting winch for 80 series but unshore about type.
hydraulic or electric,had looked at ox brand & warne brand,just wondering
if any one has used these types; any comments would be great,
Also,just purchased Engel fridge,going to CAPE in sept need info about good setup
for rear of 80 for fridge. cheers .
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:12

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:12
theres about a trillion threads in the archives on winches and fridges!
FWIW I have a Warn 10k electric, only let me down once... :(

www.lcool.org for landcruiser setup stuff.
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Follow Up By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:11

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:11
What happened the "once" ????
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:29

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:29
My fault, wasnt earthed correctly, and wouldnt work.. :( So it wasnt really the winches fault.

it worked AWESOME the second day I had it on, up Woods Point in the wet... Pulled me up this hill I was soiling myself sliding backwards with brakes locked up...
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Reply By: Member Eric - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:19

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:19
I ran some heavy duty cable to the back of my vehicle to run a inverter ( on cargo barrier ) and are running some 6 mm cable off that to a second cigi lighter for the fridge. As was pointed out to me , change the cigi lighter attachment to something that clips in , I found that I blew a couple of fuses due to th conection moving in a standard cigi lighter set up . If you have a large fridge , make up a false floor that runs accross the whel arches , this will allow you to move the fridge closer to the quarter panel , allowing for more room for storage . You can buy cheap plastic contaners to store things under the false floor , i can take pic's if you like . I run a X9 Superwinch and found it great value for money . i have also used it a number of times now with no problems . Make sure you have a snach block for those minties moments lol . I didnt purchase a Hydralic winch , only because they dont work if your car cant start . Hope you have fun shopping for your trip
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Follow Up By: Pesty - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:42

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:42
your electric one want go long either if the car wont start ! Read recent post about electic one in Darwin that carked it drivin around in the wet season !
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:52

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 22:52
Pesty , I can tell you a story for every component on a vehicle that gave up lol , The reson for my sujestion, was only for situations were the car wont or cant be started , for instance in a river over your intake high water mark . or stalling on a big clime and not able to start the vehicle due to angle fuel ect ,

horses for courses I think . At the end of the day there all great
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Follow Up By: Pennywise - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 12:09

Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 12:09
Hi Eric, Hope you get this message. I would love to see some pics of your set up as per above. Could you email to foster_darren@hotmail.com.

Much appreciated,

Darren
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 18:31

Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 18:31
sorry mate , I am a little usure of what photos you want , is it were i have placed the inverter ? the anderson plug connections , the fridge possition ? More than happy to send you pic's . Just be a little more specific , what need to see

By the way , the photos will not come to you via hotmail , the files are way to large . If you email me at wholesalecars@optusnet.com.au , with aproper addy , I can send you whatever you like

Cheers
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Reply By: Goran - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 23:06

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 23:06
It is pretty safe to stick to what the boys use in competitions, and they all use electric winches (Warn mostly).That is my reasoning anyway. I run Warn XD 9000 on 80 Series.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 23:17

Friday, Mar 19, 2004 at 23:17
Actually they dont all use Elect winches.

Watch outback challenge vidss, the Patrol with the hydro winch on bleep s on the highmounts in the river crossings..
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C.- Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 00:17

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 00:17
G'day Daryl,
FWIW, I have a 10000lb OX Hydraulic on my GU4.2....
Only been used "in anger" once, & that was to assist another vehicle (Cruiser, hehehe) which had jack-knifed a trailer-load of firewood on a slippery slope & couldn't get traction...
It does get a good workout however, when I'm cutting firewood (for self & family) by moving (sometimes quite large) logs into more accessible positions for cutting...

The major advantage of the Ox, is that as long as the engine is running, it will pull at its' rated capacity all day.. 100% duty cycle, and it will work under water! (as long as the connector socket for the hand control thingy is out of the water)...
They do use electric control solenoids, but these are sealed (waterproof)...

True, as others have noted, they won't work without the engine running (but I reckon that would be an issue less than 1% of the times when the winch might be needed), and it is for that reason that I also carry an 8000lb "come-along" if I think I might get into a "sticky" situation....

As for this business about "What if you're stuck in a creek with water over the intake??".... Well, wouldn't the winch be under water anyway???
Do electric winches work under water??... I don't know, but I would tend to think not!
Just My Opinion...

Regards, Ed. C.

Confucius say.....
"He who lie underneath automobile with tool in hand,
....Not necessarily mechanic!!"

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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 09:43

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 09:43
good question , will have to try it lol
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:32

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 22:32
Yes they do work under water. Check any Outback challange video.. water up to bonnets and working.

Good point though on the Hydro winches...
"The major advantage of the Ox, is that as long as the engine is running, it will pull at its' rated capacity all day.."

what when the engine ISNT working?
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Follow Up By: Roachie - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 23:11

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 23:11
Blokes,
While I don't disagree with Truckster that the comp boys can use their winches under water, you've got to remember that their winches are done up as the ducks guts in most cases; some with nitrogen injection to help cooling and maybe keep water out.
I have a Warn 9000 lecci job and wouldn't like to bet my life on it working under water. There is also the issue of the position of the solenoid box. Mine sits just above the winch on the bullbar and I reckon that even if the wich was willing to work under water, the solenoids would reckon it was time to go out to lunch once they become swamped.
If the opportunity arose to swap over to a Ox Hydro jobbie at minimal cost, I'd be at it like a flash. However, I don't use mine often enough to warrant it being a priority.
Cheers,
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Ralph2 - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 12:51

Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 12:51
ED, the OX will only work at it's rated capacity all day if it's being run by a pump capable of producing 1500PSI and a flow rate of 3.5 us gallons per minute, and your fluid reservoir is capable of holding a large quanity of fluid 2x the flow rate is the advisable amount. Having said that the OX works very well only a bit slow,for periods of half an hour at a time.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 08:08

Saturday, Mar 20, 2004 at 08:08
Daryl,

Warn would have to be the most popular electric winch around. There is another winch on the market, Premier Winch.
I have not used one myself but belive they are good. The money saved will buy some the other gear required for winching. Tree trunk protector,snatch block,drag chain,winch extension strap and of course the gloves.
A hand winch is also a good back up when the electric winch is under water or the vehicle has to be winched from the back.

Wayne
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Reply By: Topend - Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:08

Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:08
Does anyone have experience with Brawn electic winches. Brawn claim that their 9500lb & 10000lb models have superior water protection. If this is true I may get one to replace my damaged Warn XD9000.

I read a report on a Warn XD9000i that pretty much failed their tests. Didn't even come close to pulling 9000lb, the cable broke several times below 9000lb and the solonoids & motor continually burnt out due to current overload. Try www.winchtest.com

Topend
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Reply By: Michael_FNQ - Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 09:53

Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 09:53
Been to the cape three times, never needed a winch but always had a rear locker which easily got me thru any of the difficult spots. The difficult spots are where all normal 4x4's with a winch and no lockers have trouble and subsequently dig massive holes with opposing wheels.
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Follow Up By: Topend - Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 10:40

Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 10:40
As I already have a hand winch, maybe I should get a rear Air Locker instead of replacing my old winch. I know I like the way my Cruiser drives without the winch. It seems to understeer less through a round'a'bout on a wet day.

Topend
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:25

Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:25
"The difficult spots are where all normal 4x4's with a winch and no lockers have trouble and subsequently dig massive holes with opposing wheels"

Cannonball Creek comes to mind here!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Michael_FNQ - Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:43

Sunday, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:43
Leroy
Spot on!

Had alot of fun there last trip. With a rear air lockers walked thru what is a very easy climb with a couple of holes no problems. But then spend about an hour watching all types of vehicles with no lockers have HUGE trouble trying get up the hill as they kept losing traction in deep holes that they just kept adding to.
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Reply By: rolande- Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 06:53

Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 06:53
Daryl,
Only a thought, but i would prefer a winch in a cradle that only has to be connected when needed, if in water can have the winch high and dry, can winch front or back, and when not in use can be locked up at home. Only need a set of high mounted anderson plugs for power. Have seen used with Hayman Reece towbar mounts front and back for use in most "normal" situations, seems to be the best compromise
Rolande
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