Poor Compression?!
Submitted: Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 16:48
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Member - Jo (NSW)
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: Poor compression
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I was at a 4WD training session this weekend, and one of the things we did was a stall start. I drove up the
hill, stalled the car with the brakes, put it into reverse, and let go of the brakes. Now, the instructor told me that the compression of the engine should hold the car back, but
mine was "ticking" backwards, like rolling thorugh one cog, taking a break, then the next cog. They attributed this too poor compression. None of the other cars did it, and it wasnt meant to happen to min either.
What does this mean? Do I have to do anything about it? Should I be concerned?
I drive an old HJ47 troopy with a 2H engine (340000km) diesel...
Thanks,
Jo
Reply By: Davoe - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 17:20
Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 17:20
2h should have as high compression as anything else so could be a bit of a concern. Look for other sighns such as blowing smoke hard to start and general poor performance. At 340k it should be starting to get a bit tired but may
well have another 200k left. If it goes ok keep it going as a rebuild would not be cheap. Take it to a mechanic and get it compresion tested then you will be in a better position to consider your options. I have a 2h service manuel at
home and would be happy to give you the acceptable ranges for compression if you want.
Just read the rest of your q compression is the pressure built up in the head of the motor when the piston rises. Like putting your finger over the end of a syringe (no needle) and pushing the plunger and compressing the air. This compression is the lifeblood of the diesal engine as it is the compression along with heat that burns the diesal instead of the spark plugs in a petrol- low compression = poorly burning fuel. 1 last thing dont let a mate try measuring the compression with a standard gauge as diesals have 2wice the compression of a petrol , not good
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Reply By: Martyn (WA) - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 22:48
Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 22:48
Jo,
How steep was the
hill? How much oil do you burn? If the vehicle isn't showing signs of being near its end of life cycle get a few basic checks done, compression
test is one
check but as mentioned don't use a standard guage the results could be a tad frightening, its nearer three times the compression pressure a GQ is around the 3000 kpa mark where as a normal petrol engine is around the 1000 kpa mark, be careful. The compression
test will give you an idea
where to start, if the engine backfires on the overrun take a look at the valves, could be cracks in the head, this list is long and varied.
If the
hill is too steep you could always select low range, if it rolls back in low range either the tyres are slipping over the surface or you've got holes in your pistons.
I wouldn't put 340k as an extraordinary mileage. Hope this helps, my opinions as usual.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 23:55
Monday, Mar 22, 2004 at 23:55
Martyn,
All stall starts should be done in low range. Some vehicles will still tick over even in low range, that is why the brakes should never be fully released.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 22:05
Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004 at 22:05
Wayne,
I stand corrected, but on sand dunes when just didn't make it I've used high range to get get better control when reversing back down again, I suppose in some cases it varies with experience and also the situation. Point taken
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 24, 2004 at 00:16
Wednesday, Mar 24, 2004 at 00:16
Martyn,
Sand driving is diffrent again. Momentum is required, and that means high range 4WD. If going up a
sand dune and you don't make it you are useally bogged and not going any where, selecting reverse gear and driving down is not a problem. If on a steep
hill however as soon as the clutch is used and the vehicle not stalled, then it has a chance of running away. On these hills low range would be selected befor trying to drive up the
hill
The only time I ever use low range on sand is if I am bogged and need to
rock back and forward to pack down the sand and when a bit more power is required.
We go up to Stockten Beach,
Newcastle, and spend a day there playing on the dunes. We are there all day and don't have to drive over the same
sand dune twice. Good practise area for the Simpson.
Wayne
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