One for the electricians?

Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 06:40
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I just bought a small fridge a Waeco 32 L wich I have connected via 4 metres of 6mm twin to a 420 CCA battery. The 6 mm cable terminates at the rear of the car via a volatage cutout thingy that I think cuts the current once the voltage drops to 11.5V. or 10 V I can't remember. The problem is the fridge will only run for about an hour then the cutout operates and the game is over. How do I get this thing to run all night?
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Reply By: Dave from Fraser Coast 4WD Club - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 06:58

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 06:58
1st question, how old is the battery??
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Follow Up By: David O - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 08:47

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 08:47
The battery is only a few months old. I have a load tester and it passed the test but suince then I realised I have been mucking around a lot with the car off so I gave it a charge last night and it seems to be holding for now. I will run it today and see how it goes.

Is a deep cycle better for this application?
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 07:07

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 07:07
As Dave said, is the battery OK? That would be the logical starting point here.

Another thing... is the fridge thermostat cutting the fridge off at temperature??

We usually make sure the lid stays closed for the last hour or two before bed time.. and last thing before turning in, we switch the fridge off and lock the truck up. I am always up and about at daybreak and first job for the day is to switch the fridge back on... We haven't lost any food/got sick etc so far from this and it conserves battery power for the daytime when we may need it most.

This works for us, but may NOT work for anyone else.... try it at your own risk.
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Reply By: Peter - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 07:34

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 07:34
Try bypassing the voltage cut-out switch.
You only have a relatively small capacity battery, after an hour of running the fridge has probably been drawing power most of the time for the initial cool-down and the battery voltage will be reduced.
When the fridge cycles again (starts up) the initial start current will be between four to seven times running current, which will induce a momentary voltage drop, which may in turn cause the cut-out to operate and you are caught in a loop.

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Andrew R (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 07:59

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 07:59
Hate to tell you David, but 420 cca battery is pretty small to be running a fridge. Especially if you have only one battery. If you are serious about it you will need a second battery.

More money!

good luck
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Follow Up By: David O - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 08:49

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 08:49
What size would you recommend? I am limited by actual physical size but sould go slightly bigger in physical size. Maybe slightly less than an inch wider and inch and a bit longer.

What size do people run? Do you think deep cycle is better?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew R (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:31

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:31
David,

I have a dual battery system in the cruiser. Both batteries are exide extremes. My camper has a 135 amp/hour deep cycle. I actually reckon the exide extreme is more practical as it accepts a charge much faster. The deep cycles have more resistance and thus are slower to charge. Also your deep cycle batteries have only about 6 months to a year warranty, whereas the exide extreme has 2 years.
Just remember if you are running off one battery you could end up not being able to start your vehicle in the morning. Dual battery is really the way to go if you are going to use the fridge a fair bit.
My exide extreme is 300 long x 173 wide x 205 high (Plus the height of the + and - poles.)
I am by no means an expert on this subject but I have had some practical experience and learnt the hard way.
If you want to chat about this further, post your email address and we could then contact by phone.

hooroo
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Follow Up By: David O - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:35

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:35
Robbo,

Thanks for the info. Sorry I didn't make it clear, this is the aux battery. I would never have just one battery.

David
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Follow Up By: Roachie - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:22

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:22
David,
If you have limited space for your aux batt, I can well recommend an Exide Orbital. I have a blue-top but there is also a red-top (marine) version. They have good CCA and reserve capacity (not sure of actual stats, sorry) but are bloody expensive. However, should last you a long time too. I'd steer clear of Deep cycles; take too long to fully re-charge.
Cheers,
Roachie
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:45

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 12:45
I have dual bat's the factory size batterys were very small but I managed to fit a 70NZZ in with no probs. They guy at the shop said there was no way I was going to get it in without modifying the car in a big way. I told him "Thanks mate, I'll take it and make it fit". Got home and it slipped in perfectly without changing a thing. It's a 720CCA 17 Plate jobby, heavy as sht but starts the car better than the two factory bats did by itself! ;-) So the isolator is in and working a treat. The beauty is I can now go and get another one of those beasts and replace the aux bat because it will fit! Long and short, don't take what these wallys at the shops say as gospel, everything is covering asses or too hard for them.
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Reply By: Rosscoe - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 15:37

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 15:37
Unless separately charged by a suitable system, your car battery will be only about 70 to 80% charged. The alternator/voltage regulator system normally cannot charge above this. Your Low Voltage Disconnect thingy is designed to stop you deeply discharging the battery. Lead Acid batteries do not like to be regularly flattened.
Therefore you will probably find that you only have practically about 30 to 40% of the battery's rated capacity.
You could consider a Waeco Gel filled battery BUT make sure you upgrade your wiring and
/or install Blue Apple Charging Pack. Most dealers provide this latter item free if you buy the battery.

Check the open circuit voltage of the battery after it has "rested" unconnected to anything for about 12 hours with a digital multimeter. From memory 100% charged the voltage should be 12.65 Volts at 25 deg Celsius.
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Reply By: Rod from Lyons Airconditioning Services WA - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 17:34

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 17:34
David the Danfoss compressor in the Waeco has its own low & high voltage cut out I think with the other one in line this may be causing your problem.
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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 20:46

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 20:46
David. Is the Low Volt Disconnect adjustable? Some have a screw you can turn allowing a variable voltage cut out. It may be set too high. The battery is a little small for the job but should last for 1 night on low. Another test you can do is check the volts at the battery when its running then again at the fridge. You may have too much line loss due to the cable being undersized or poor connectors. If you are losing more than .2 volts in the leads it may need upgrading. My set up was losing .5 volts so ran 10mm cable including earth direct to the batt through 32 volt 2 pin plugs. Problem solved. If the Low Volt Dis is set at 11.5 Volts it's probably doing nothing anyway. I believe most Danfoss compressors have their own cut out at 11.6 volts . Cheers Craig..................
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Reply By: Member - Cocka - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 21:33

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 21:33
Just an adendum to this issue of running fridges that may help operations but is not intended to specifically answer the original Q

Firstly it is absolutely important that a fridge motor has as much air flow around it that you can possible provide, they must not be allowed to stew in their own heat. If the fridge is locked in the vehicle make sure windows are down to get a cross flow of fresh air, the heat is created from the transfer of temperature from within the fridge whist the motor is running.
Blow any dust out of the motor at least annually to keep the condensers clean.
If possibe, fitting a second fan motor (available from Jaycar) to blow across the motor really helps.
A conduit from the air con outlet to carry cool air to blow on the fridg motor may be possible.
And keeping a damp towel over the body of the fridge cabinet will help with evaporative cooling.

Any of the above will reduce the amount of time that a fridge motor needs to run to get the temp down to a desired level therefore conserving battery amps.
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Follow Up By: David O - Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 22:05

Wednesday, Apr 07, 2004 at 22:05
Thanks to all.

I think I am ing to go this way.
Largest CCA Marine battery I can fit. I was thinking Deep Cycle but not sure how much longer it will take to charge.
I will remove the battery voltage cutout thingy for now and try that.

Cheers David
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