Bridgestone & Pirelli A/Ts

Submitted: Friday, May 24, 2002 at 00:00
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Hi all,

I have a 2000 Jackaroo with BFG A/T's fitted at delivery when new. Great value for $600 all up trade on the Wrangler APs with 32km on them. The BFGs now have 43,000kms on them and still going strong, however I have started thinking about my next tyres.

The BFG's are great, however ride a bit harsh on the already firm Jackaroo suspension. As the car spends most of its time on bitumen, I'm looking for a slightly "softer" AT tyre and am thinking about either Bridgestone D693 or Pirelli Scorpion A/T. My first choice would have been Michelin LTX A/T, however they only sell 70 series 16" in the UK. Everywhere else has to make do with 75 series.

I still want an AT tyre and I understand that the Bridgestones or Pirellis are unlikely to be as tough as the BFG's. My view is that getting a highway tyre will be a false economy, as I'm likely to destroy them quicker anyway.

Has anyone here been able to compare the Bridgestones / Pirellis / BFGs in real life?

And while we are at it, does anyone have any feedback on Michelin Synchrones? I'm not sure about Michelin's clam that it's offroad abilities are between the LTX M/S and LTX A/T.
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Reply By: Damien - Friday, May 24, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, May 24, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Savvas, if you're thinking of doing any off-road work then you should stick with the BFG's. They are widely regarded as the best A/T tyre & although they may be a bit more expensive than the rest, you'll quickly make that up by saving money on puncture repairs.
The 693's are apparantly quite a good tyre, but remember they only have a 2-ply sidewall compared to 3 on the BFG.
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Follow Up By: Skippyking - Friday, May 24, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, May 24, 2002 at 00:00
Most 2 ply tyres have a ply 1500 microns thick. The BFG has 3 1000 microns thick. Same thickness, don't know if it makes one or the other tougher. Be careful of comparing ply's as the difference in their thicknesses may lead you to 'think' you have a tougher tyre.

How you find out, truthfully, the thickness of ply's in tyres?Mmmmmm? I'm not sure.
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Follow Up By: Savvas_e - Saturday, May 25, 2002 at 00:00

Saturday, May 25, 2002 at 00:00
BFG's are definitely still an option. I'm told the A/T KO's ride better than the older types, but I'm looking for some real world experiences on it.

PS ... I saw the Bridgestones on tyres4u website at $285 ea. You've got to be kidding!!! I'll get Coopers for $40 less thank you!
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Reply By: Slunnie - Saturday, May 25, 2002 at 00:00

Saturday, May 25, 2002 at 00:00
Hey Savvas, have I got the web site for you! Check out http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/index.jsp
and it does direct comparisons of different 4WD tyres over a range of criteria, and these are sorted into HT, AT, MT tyres. Regards Slunnie
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Follow Up By: Savvas_e - Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00
Had already looked at this website. The comparisons are great, but they don't have any offroad criteria in their tables. Also, the D693's in the US are made there, while the ones in Oz are made here. Don't know if it makes a difference for the Duelers, but in BFG's case Japan v USA made seems to be a big concern.
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Follow Up By: Savvas_e - Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00
Had already looked at this website. The comparisons are great, but they don't have any offroad criteria in their tables. Also, the D693's in the US are made there, while the ones in Oz are made here. Don't know if it makes a difference for the Duelers, but in BFG's case Japan v USA made seems to be a concern for some.
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Follow Up By: Slunnie - Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00
Some good points Savvas
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Reply By: Col - Saturday, May 25, 2002 at 00:00

Saturday, May 25, 2002 at 00:00
Savvas,

I put Cooper S/T on my 2000 Jackaroo. My comment: Best thing I ever did. Go for the 75 profile
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Reply By: Slunnie - Saturday, Jun 01, 2002 at 00:00

Saturday, Jun 01, 2002 at 00:00
Hey Savvas, I've just returned from a week bush with work and I would not put the Bridgestone AT D693's on my vehicle. Our Landcruiser with D693's suffered punctures and the Hilux with D693 on splitties did also. No other vehicles suffered punctures (except through mechanical failures). Interestingly though, I was involved with the repair of the Hilux, and the D693 was so stiff in the sidewalls, that despite having no air pressure, the tyre still looked inflated. Yokohama Geolanders (Pajero)gave no trouble, neither did the Dunlop GrandTreks (Prado). I'm not suggesting to buy the Dunlop or Yok, as they would not be my preference, but I came away very unamused with the Bridgestones.
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Follow Up By: Savvas_e - Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00
Hmmm. Might stick with the BFG's or look at Coopers!!! Just out of curiosity, Slunnie. Were the D693's that were damaged P or LT construction?
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Follow Up By: Slunnie - Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Jun 06, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Savvas, The Hilux is LT in 205R16 spec on splitties. I'm not sure about the Landcruiser though. It sits on 235/85/16's though if that is any guide. Interestingly, the Lancruiser left after I did, and had another pucture on its way out. The only other punctures we had involved us breaking trailer suspension.
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Follow Up By: Slunnie - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2002 at 00:00
Savvas, I've just looked. The Landcruiser also has 235/85/16 D693's in an LT construction.
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Reply By: Rob - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Jun 04, 2002 at 00:00
I had a set of Pirelli Scorpion ATs in my 80 series diesel.
They lasted 35000 Km from new on a round trip of Oz
fairly loaded up on a mix of on & off road. I got 1 puncture
and split 1 sidewall. I paid 185 each for the 275/70 size.
The grip was fine on dry roads - but in mud they will
quickly clog and stay clogged. They are a great highway tire -
but got pretty chewed up in the end. Have just replaced them
with BFG T/As at 239 each. Hopefully these will last a bit longer!
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Reply By: Kezza - Wednesday, Jun 12, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Jun 12, 2002 at 00:00
keep the BFGs just toy with air pressure and diameter of tyres we run
A/Ts and M/Ts wouldnt change for anything
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