Colorado recovery point

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Hi all

I have just bought a 2011 Holden Colorado only to find out there is nowhere on the front chassis to fix a recovery point.

Wondering if anybody has overcome this problem in any way.

There is a robust looking tow point on the left that on a few other forums people said they have been using but its not really rated.

Been to ARB and a few other 4X4 shops and nothing is listed.

Regards Peter
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Reply By: gbc - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 07:27

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 07:27
I read the manual then went ahead and used it as the front tow point that it is built as.
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Follow Up By: Bravo Man - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 07:34

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 07:34
Towing from it is one thing but have you used it to snatch from

Peter
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Follow Up By: gbc - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 08:45

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 08:45
Yes, snatched from it on numerous occasions. Being a closed loop you need a shackle as well which I try to avoid as much as possible. The manual talks about bogged towing etc from that point so it is the business, not a dicky tie down loop.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 17:24

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 17:24
Rated for onroad towing not offroad snatching.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 18:55

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 18:55
Wrong again garycol. It is rated for recovering the bogged (mired) vehicle off-road per the manual (it is an Isuzu after all). It does not specifically state snatching - I've never found an oe manual that does.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 19:56

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 19:56
So rated for towing not snatching.
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Sunday, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:12

Sunday, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:12
I have similar on my Jeep. It's called a "rated tow point". Rated to 1.5 times gvm by the factory. Pulling a car requires far less force than lifting it, even if its stuck in mud. My manual also says it is suitable for off road recoveries. Whether you want to snatch off it is determined by how violent you want to get with the snatch. I've been snatched a lot off mine. If a gentle snatch doesn't do it then start winching.
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Reply By: 671 - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:06

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:06
Peter

You are right when you said it is not really rated. I am not aware of any car that has a factory fitted attachment point that is actually rated for snatch straps. This is why there has been so many accidents and fatalities with these straps and unfortunately they are going to continue.

Contact GM on their customer information service. If they say it is suitable for snatch straps then it is suitable. If not then you are taking a big risk by using it. People can tell you they have snatched from it but can they guarantee that it won't break the next time they use it?

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:27

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:27
Rated recovery points do NOT exist for a 'snatch strap' recovery , ARB etc sell so called recovery points [ even claiming to be 'rated' ] yet none have ever been fully tested as it would require engineering reports for each and EVERY vehicle model , ohh yes they look like the business painted red or yellow but has it really been "rated"….
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Reply By: Member - Doug P (VIC) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:26

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:26
My current model Colorado has two recovery points at the front. The handbook states that the rated load per point is 1500Kg. "Any load either static or dynamic applied to these points must not exceed the rated capacity of each point"
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Reply By: Member - Allan L2 - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19
Hi Peter,

You don't mention what model your Colorado is. I have a January 2011 RC Colorado & have been searching for a front recovery point since then & have up with the same results as yourself.
ARB told me some time ago they are working on the issue but nothing to date.

Cheers,

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug P (VIC) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:43

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:43
Sorry-- it is a 2015 LS 4wd twin cab RG model
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Follow Up By: Bravo Man - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 18:06

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 18:06
Doug, I think Allan was referring to my model which is an RC 2011 like his.
I went to TJM today and they contacted Road Safe who manufacture recovery points for 4WDS and they said they are in the process of designing and testing for Colorado 2011 recovery points, could be a few months away so there is hope for us yet.

They have just released one for the Ford Ranger which looks like it bolts onto the front of the chassis rail between the bullbar and chassis, but pretty pricy around $400 for a set of two.

I think a Colorado one would be similiar.

two.http://roadsafe.com.au/4wd/tow-points/

Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan L2 - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 18:53

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 18:53
Peter, that's good news. Lets hope its not too many months away.

Cheers,
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Follow Up By: 671 - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 21:20

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 21:20
I noticed Road Safe includes this little sentence in their advertisment
" It is at the vehicle owners discretion for fitment, ensuring that the chassis is adequately designed, constructed and/or rated to suit this application."

How is an owner supposed to ensure the chassis is adequately,constructed and/or rated? In other words their points are adequately engineered and tested to withstand the forces generated during snatching but they can not guarantee the chassis they are to be used on is suitable.

Their other suggestion of getting everyone to stand back at least 1.5 times the length of the strap is very sensible but I hope that includes the two drivers. They are in far more danger than anyone else as all the injuries and fatalities that they have suffered over the years that snatch straps have been in use would indicate.

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Follow Up By: Gronk - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 21:35

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 21:35
As others have stated, you may have a rated tow point ( ARB etc ), but I think you'll find most failures are the bolts or the chassis, so sometimes it doesn't matter how strong the actual tow point or eye is !

It's a bit the same as the shackles you might use...they might be rated to 5 or 10 ton, but under a snatch situation, how much weight are you actually putting on them as well ??

Easiest way is to not snatch at all, but if you have to , start off with the least amount speed as possible.....which is hard for some people !!
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Follow Up By: Bravo Man - Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 22:31

Thursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 22:31
Hi 671....so what you are implying is that no recovery point on any 4X4 is 100% safe.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Peter F9 - Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:47

Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:47
Bravo Man, nothing in life is 100% safe!!! Just use a bit of common sense when towing or snatching. What's the alternative, leave your car in the bush? Cheers Peter
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Follow Up By: 671 - Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 17:43

Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 17:43
Bravo Man posted:
Hi 671....so what you are implying is that no recovery point on any 4X4 is 100% safe.


There is no recovery point on my car, your car or any other car that is 100% safe for snatch strap use. Towing or winching is a different matter. That has been the case since the first day snatch straps went onto the market. It is the reason why there has been so many accidents and fatalities with them.

If they were factory designed for snatch straps, instructions for their use would be in the owner's handbook just like the towing instructions that have always been there.

They would have so much strength in reserve that it would take a complete idiot with a 20,000 kg strap and a prime mover to break something. Even then he would probably destroy a few straps before the car broke.

When they first went on sale, people connected them to the factory fitted towing hooks at the front and tow bars at the rear. They are still doing it today but over the years those parts, particularly the front hooks, have become known as " rated recovery points". The question is rated for what? I have been waiting for about thirty years for someone to explain that.

I found this article a couple of years a go written Greg Milton from ARB. He concluded that ARB are working on a new system but this was written almost four years ago and you said in your first post that they still have nothing.

Unless you take your chassis to them to be redesigned prior to their attachments points being fitted, I doubt if they ever will come up with anything.
http://www.perth4x4.net/forum/index.php?/topic/22238-snatch-straps/

The key point to keep in mind when using snatch straps is it is always something flying off the other car that hurts you. Having the world's best unbreakable points on your car is not going to help.


Peter F9 posted:
What's the alternative, leave your car in the bush?

Use the same recovery methods that people had been using since 4wd conversions were fitted to new T Fords right up to the day in the 1980s or whenever it was that snatch straps came onto the scene.

Nobody left a car in the bush during that 50 or so year period.
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Follow Up By: Bravo Man - Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 20:38

Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 20:38
I think we are getting sidetracked here.

The post was specifically for anyone who had found a solution to the lack of anchor for a recovery point for the front of a 2011 RC Colorado

Although all opinions are appreciated they are only opinions.

One of my favourite sayings is "there is no wrong or right only opinions"

Regards Peter

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Follow Up By: Gronk - Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 21:29

Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 21:29
But you'll find that most posts ARE about a solution to a recovery point on the Colorado.

It's the tow point that comes with it from factory..

If used sensibly , just like a lot of 4wd's out there, it will serve the purpose OK.

90% of situations don't need a snatch....a tow is all that's needed.
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Follow Up By: Bravo Man - Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 22:31

Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 22:31
True, common sense is the main issue
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Follow Up By: Jackolux - Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 23:07

Friday, Jul 24, 2015 at 23:07
I have a Dmax with the same tow points , I haven't had to be snatched yet , but if/when I do need to be snatched , I will use a bridle on both points and tell who ever is doing the snatching , to try a gental pull first

It is true the rated recovery points are infact rated , when tested they are bolted to something that will not move or break ,its where they attach to the vehicle that bit is not rated .

If in doubt , I will use my winch .
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Jul 25, 2015 at 00:10

Saturday, Jul 25, 2015 at 00:10
Isuzu have advised that the current model Dmax front tow points are "rated" to the GVM of the vehicle.

Garry
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Follow Up By: 671 - Saturday, Jul 25, 2015 at 21:16

Saturday, Jul 25, 2015 at 21:16
"Bravo Man posted:
Although all opinions are appreciated they are only opinions.

One of my favourite sayings is "there is no wrong or right only opinions""



You could try this mob. They should give you the facts, not opinions.
https://secure.holden.com.au/forms/contact-us
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Follow Up By: Bravo Man - Sunday, Jul 26, 2015 at 09:45

Sunday, Jul 26, 2015 at 09:45
Thank you for that, I will check it out.

Peter
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