12 volt connectors

Submitted: Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 20:46
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I need to do something about my 12 connection from fridge to vehicle , Some people here advised I change the set up from factory and i laughed at them at the time . I now bow my head in shame and humbly ask for the information again . What connections should I run ? a part number would be great . Someone mentioned that there was a hella connection that I could remove the red end clip on my cigi lighter connection, to clip in .

Thanks again , I will have to email the pic of me with my head in the sand lol
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 20:57

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 20:57
Not to worry old son ... many more and you'll catch with me.

By the sound of it you have a Waeco unit. The red plastic ring makes the male unit suitable for any female cigar socket.

Remove said ring and the unit is suitable to clip into a Hella/Narva type socket.
Just the trick. I bought a couple from a 12V supplies shop. Notwithstanding all the best advice you'll receive here, the surface mounted ones have the facility to earth direct to the vehicle via a knurled washer sort of thingy. I scratched a wee tad of paint off the beast at this mounting hole and have found them to work very sucessfully to date. 2 of them, 1 with 7 amps continuous and the other with 5 amps.

I may realise the need to run a separate earth, but at this stage they work fine. Makes for a much neater setup also, with less wires all over the place.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 20:59

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 20:59
P.S.

Just DON'T loose your ring ... ;-) You need it to plug into the 240V transformer.
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:03

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:03
Thanks Rosco , I will for for a drive to Bursons tomorrow . Ill do my best not to loose my ring lol
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Follow Up By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:57

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:57
Never ever rely on the vehicle body for earth. *ALWAYS* run a separate earth wire.
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:01

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:01
As I said, at this stage it works well and I've tested it fairly extensively. If it ain't broken ... don't fix it.

I am mindful of the fact that 99% of problems in 12V wiring result from a crook earth. If it stops working I'll know what the problem is and how to fix it.
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Reply By: Member - Tim&jan - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:05

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:05
everyone to there own but i run duel batteries under the bonnet for the truck has its own the other is to run the radios and interior -exterier lighting then i run 350 amp cable about 20mm diamiter to 2 batteries that are linked together in the back to run the waeco 80 ltr fridge all on solinoids that run from the accessory switched so that soon as you turn the moter off everything is isolated i also run 2 toggles in the front just in case i wont to charge individualy this works fine
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:14

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:14
Sounds like a good setup digger ... but I reckon you need the truck just to carry the cable ... ;-))

Also these silly bloody flash ones (like mine) with ECU's need spike protection, so normal marine type isolating switches are a bit dodgy in relation to spikes.

Of for the good old days of button up boots and studs.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:09

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:09
Eric,

Just found a Hella part no. 4951. It is a "universal cig. lighter DIN 2 pole plug" unquote.

Rated at 8 amps Max @ 12volts. Think it has a little ring too, that you remove to use a DIN socket. Don't think you'd want to lose that ring either!!!

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Follow Up By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:56

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:56
Bob 4951 should be rated at 2 amps which is all they are good for in cigarette lighter socket, and in DIN socket 3.5 being generous.
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:04

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:04
I don't recall the part number, but I do recall the plug is rated for 8 amps. The bloke at the shop also said you can get one rated for 12 amps but they had none in stock. In my case 8 amps was adequate.
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Follow Up By: Pluto - Tuesday, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:09

Tuesday, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:09
Guys,

The same plug, manufactured by Arrid is available from the 12 Volt Shop and is rated up to 16 Amps
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Reply By: Crackles - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:28

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:28
Eric. I've learnt the hard way burning out all styles of plugs and the 2 types that have stood the test of time are the Cannon 2 pin plug (look very modern) and the Clipsal 32 volt.(look like a 2 pin version of a 240 volt plug) I now use the latter. They may look industrial and that's because they are. Cheers Craig............
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Follow Up By: Hop - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 21:30

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 21:30
I agree, ever felt how hot those hella and other cheap plugs get when your fridge is running
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Reply By: Member - Nigel (QLD) - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:32

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:32
I use anderson plugs on everything - not cheap but almost no voltage drop and they are gender neutral so can plug the trailer into the car, or the fridge into the trailer or the fridge into the car - makes life simple.
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Follow Up By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:59

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:59
Nigel there is now a Malaysian copy of the Anderson plug out at about 15% of the price and quality is identical.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nigel (QLD) - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:44

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:44
Haven't seen them up north yet, but sounds like a good option. Too late for me tho - already bought all the connectors I need :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan Mac (VIC) - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 22:03

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 22:03
I'm with you Nigel . I run Anderson Plugs..too damn simple and thats what life should be!
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Reply By: Lachy - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:00

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:00
I'm with Criag. I too use the Clipsal 32v plugs. I have gone to the extend of changing the one on the waeco lead to one and mounting one on my 240v Waeco psu (in // with the female cigarette connector)
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Reply By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:26

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:26
The Hella DIN plugs are the go.
If you look at the Hella plugs and the cheapies you will find the Hella plugs have properly formed brass contacts with spring tension, where the cheapies only have two brass contacts and often no springs formed. There is generally only 50c to $1.00 difference between the cheapies and the Hella ones.

The Clipsal 32v units are effective and good. However they are *DAMNED* expensive and awfully chunky and large and limited in mounting options.

Cigarette lighter plugs cause more problems and issues along with wrong cable size. The maximum a cigarette lighter plug is good for is 2 amps. The Hella DIN plugs are good for 8 amps, and the Clipsal plugs would be good for around 15 amps.
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Follow Up By: Lachy - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:34

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:34
I agree they are chunky but they only cost $9. How much are the hella one?
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Follow Up By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:44

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:44
Hella ones are cheaper than $9.00. I think the plugs are about $4.50. I like the Hella ones with the rubber cap and use them everywhere including outside. I do have a Clipsal socket mounted so if anybody has them they can plug in if necessary. I thought everybody would use the '-' for the negative and '|' for the positive - no, I had to put a polarity reversal switch in.
The Clipsal ones should be about $2.50 for a plug and $2.00 for a socket.
I am going overseas again in two weeks time to Asia and will see if there are any available like the Clipsal ones or ones that are suitable. Electrical wiring, connectors conduit etc. is around 10% of the price here.
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Follow Up By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:50

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:50
I meant to say "I like the Hella sockets with the rubber cap"
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Follow Up By: Lachy - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:58

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 22:58
What are the Hella plugs. Are they the same as the Anderson plug? Is there a Web site i can look on ??
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Follow Up By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 23:05

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 23:05
Lachy an Anderson plug is an in-line plug. They are a damned good plug but expensive for what they are. However there is now a Malaysian equivalent that is excellent quality. Anderson plugs are ideal for power battery connections and between say caravan/trailer and vehicle.
Anderson Multi Pole are generally only available in the two pole connectors. You really do need a proper crimping tool to put the terminals onto the cable.
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Follow Up By: The Publican - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 23:07

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 23:07
Latchy the links for Hella is in the header of this post and for Anderson in the immediate preceding post.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gajm (VIC) - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:24

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:24
You can get Anderson plugs for about $9 at www.rsaustralia.com stock #290-612 is the plastic housing about $4.95, and #290-6118 is the contact you crimp onto the cable, $2.20 each.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Thursday, Apr 22, 2004 at 13:10

Thursday, Apr 22, 2004 at 13:10
Publican, Do you know of a retailer of the Malaysian jobs?
I see the recommended crimping tool from RS costs $1,340.00...OMG
There's gotta be something cheaper than that.
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Reply By: Dave from Fraser Coast 4WD Club - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:24

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:24
I use Clipsal 32v gear.

Horizonatal is always +ive!

get them from an electrical wholesaler, much cheaper than an auto place.

It may be chunky, but there is a bit of room in a troopy!
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Follow Up By: Member - Eskimo - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:11

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:11
Its all I use...32v plug and socket
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Follow Up By: Hoffy - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:31

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:31
I have used the Clipsal 32 volt ones for years now and never have had any problems with them. Reliabality is what counte not looks. Anderson plug and socket for wiring back to caravan.
Keith
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