Recovery Hooks - Sorry guys !
Submitted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 15:50
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Member - Willie Sydney
I apologise for bringing this up yet again , but I have searched the threads for info to no avail .
Somebody in Australia must manufacture a decent hook that will bolt into the holes of the tie down eyes on a Toyota 100 Series turbo diesel .
If there isn't, I might start , as there are plenty of guys that want them .
Does anybody have any contacts who might sell them ?????????????
Thanks ,
Willie
Reply By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 15:58
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 15:58
The only ones I have seen are the ones the 4by shops sell.
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Reply By: Cammo - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 16:29
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 16:29
Willie
I have a petrol 100 series, so don't know if this will help. I went to Russel Guest 4wd. He sell (I thin) piranha hooks. To the best of my knowledge, they just bolted straight into the tie down holes. He did have to put a sapcer in to allow access to the hook as the bull bar was slightly in the way. As I said, I am almost positive that no drilling or expensive brackets were used. The reasoe I say this is that I drove in there and 30 minutes later and 60-70 bucks lighter I was done. Same thing was done for my mate who as a 80 series TD.
As an aside. Overlander ran an article a couple of months ago, in which they (more or less) stated that those "tie downs" on 100 series cruisers were in fact recovery points. Naturally this sparked a discussion on their web site
forum, and if you look under the current issue folder, you will see they have not answered the questions rasied.
Also, one of those travel shows (Getaway or the like) recently had an article on a 4wd course in teh NT. There they aslo showed recovering a 100 sereis using the "tie downs" as a recovery point.
For my own piece of mind I was happy to pay the dollar sto have the job done right.
Cammo
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie Sydney - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 16:38
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 16:38
Cammo ,
Thanks ,
I am going now to have a look at the Piranha website .
Willie
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew R (VIC) - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 19:54
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 19:54
Guesty did the same for me. I thought he said it was a genuine Toyota part for the latest 100 series. I could have heard him wrong though.
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Reply By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 20:29
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 20:29
I have been using the standard rams head recovery points on my 80 for years and continue to do so on the 100 no problems after 100s of demo snatches from sand.Cheers Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Toonfish - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 22:27
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 22:27
sorry Rob but i believe you are doing seroius fute harm to all you have trained in 4bying IMHO, big differerence between rated hooks and tie down locations as you know but many argue the rule .
how much value do you put on life
for safety sake if nothing else
oh yeah here is a recent link from elsewheres current discussion on this.
http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=14976
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 23:29
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 23:29
My training is 100% based on safety and commomn sense. These enclosed rams head recovery points fitted as standard on toyotas are intended as recovery points. They are bolted directly to the chassis with 2 high tensile steel bolts approx 12 mm in diameter. They may be used as tie down points on the ship over but they are a lot more substantial than the tie down points all ordinary jap cars have. They are even sold as recovery points by our 4wd shops up here. I also take the tongue out of the towbar and push the pin thru the snatch strap loop and have done literally hundreds of recoveries using this method tho I have read Hayman Reece dosent endorse it, afraid of litigation most likely. I have heard that the pin can be bent but have never seen it done. I would never use a tow ball as a recovery point. Anything can be broken or abused if used incorectly. Recovery is all about knowing what you are doing and using practcal common sense, and make sure all spectators are at least 11\2 times the length of the pull away. Cheers Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 09:56
Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 09:56
Surely there must have been a
test to see the strength of these (rams head ,recovery,tie down ,rated,hook,thingys.).
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Follow Up By: Member - glenno (QLD) - Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 10:03
Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 10:03
{These original recovery points are a convenient place to put the tie down strap when lashing the vehicle to the ship . } I cannot explain it any simpler than this.
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Reply By: Alex_W - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 22:41
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 22:41
Willie,
Go visit the guys at ARB. I saw some beautifully engineered mounts for the Nissan GU Patrol at the last show I visited; much better than the
home-made ones that I am using. I couldn't find them on their website but I'm certain that there was one that allowed you to mount the Bushranger hooks to the chassis.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie Sydney - Friday, May 14, 2004 at 11:13
Friday, May 14, 2004 at 11:13
Alex ,
I went to ARB and the fella said that the bolt holes on the ones they sold did not fit the bolt holes left in the rails after I took the tie down eyes off .
Thanks everyone for your input
Willie
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