No oil change at 1,000km service!

Submitted: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:31
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Guys,

Took the Prado in this morning for the free 1,000km service. Took 15 minutes and talking to the Service Manager he said that it was an inspection service only and that when I asked he said that there is no oil change at this service!

I thought this was a bit strange as I was under the impression that all cars (petrol or diesel) got a change at the first service to get rid of any machine shavings and stuff from the manufacturing process. I was going to ask if they had changed the filter but they had not even changed the oil! Not till 5,000kms he said.

Is this normal? Any comments from forumites with Prados or new motors in general appreciated.

Regards

Steven
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Reply By: Nudenut - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:41

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:41
what does the book say?
100 series does not say to replace oil or filter either.
but i am sure that I was charged for it .....but did they do it?

I always thought it was recommended as well
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Follow Up By: Michael - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 19:52

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 19:52
Thats not so bad, Suttons Holden tried to charge me for an automatic service for my last SS commodore, when challenged, they assured me they did the service,, oh really... it 's a bloody manual box. Red faces all round.. Michael
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Reply By: Rosscoe - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:42

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:42
This is pretty normal.
I always ask them to change oil and filter at the first service and pay for it. Hang over from days gone past I suppose.
Now I know I am a cynic (spelling?) but I think dealers - doesn't matter which make of car you buy - simply park the car in a service bay for an hour or so while you wait and then give you back the keys and tell you it's been inspected!!!!

My advice. Find a private operator who you can trust, develop a relationship and only use the dealer for warranty work
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 15:31

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 15:31
Good advice Rosscoe very good advice.. especially if you have to deal with Holden...
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Follow Up By: Michael - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 19:56

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 19:56
Rick Blaine,,,, read my Post, LOL True... Michael
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Follow Up By: Rick Blaine - Friday, May 21, 2004 at 08:08

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 08:08
Michael... Commonwealth motors tried to charge me for a new set of spark plugs... for a T/D Jackeroo.....I played dumb and asked if I could do this at the 80,000 service & they said yes... I asked the guy if he could show me where the plugs were & they even tried to show me... Im sposed to take of the intercooler & they are under there. I made an official complaint...got the cost of the service back after threatening to take my story to the media....still went to the media.. stuff em
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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:53

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:53
They apparently do the first oil change at the factory now so no need at 1000km. They have been doing this for a while as I bought a new car in 99 and one a couple of months ago and no oil or filter change.
When an engine is put together there sould be no foreign matter in the engine. I would be very concerned if there were 'machine shavings' in an engine as this would go through an engine and scar bearings, bores, everything!

Leroy
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:56

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 11:56
I don't know about all this, I would park it up in the driveway with a 10L bottle of good oil and a filter and whack it in myself... For $50 it's gotta be worth it even if it's just peace of mind.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:00

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:00
Dealers... Our Mitsubishi express van (bran new) is exactly the same as the 12 year old one we had before. Identical, to the stage where the seatbelt still get's jammed in the door every time you get in or out! (you'd think they could have solved that problem in 12 years!!!).
Same carby motor, same everything.

However this van has amazingly gained longer service intervals. When questioning this the dealer started blabing on about how new motors are much more effciant and fuel injections and computers and blah blah blah.
It's the same bloody carby fed 2.0L engine they've always used.. WTF?
Sounds like bulldust to me.
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Follow Up By: Davoe - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:04

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:04
where do you get 10l of good oil and a filter for $50? certainly not in kal
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:14

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:14
Well it might be a tad shy, however I got 10L of Shell 15w40 Diesel oil on special and a Nipon filter (same as the 80 seires LC) for not much over $50 from Auto 1 last month. If you buy oil and normal retail it's damn expensive but I just buy it up when I see it on special. Save heaps on 10L sometimes.
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Follow Up By: Mrs Diamond - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:45

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:45
gday jeff.
it is possible to run newer engines longer between oil changes not that i or many would.
even though your van uses the same engine as your 12 year old one theres plenty of changes internally.they now use different bearing coatings ect to allow for the longer oil changes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:48

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:48
Fair enough, I just find it strange that they change the internals of an engine that otherwise looks, runs and sounds the same and don't even fix the flamin seat belt!! :-)
Oh well.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:08

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:08
Probably uses a different grade oil also that's better than what was available 12 years ago.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:18

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:18
Hey there mrs cubic zirconia, yeah it is possible to run longer intervalls with good quality oils like you said, but with the new diesel and the soot issues it is doing away with extended intervalls on diesels. You still can do it on a petrol, but like you , i wouldnt.. oil is cheap to change compared with the costs if you don't change it..... cheers buddy
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Reply By: The Banjo - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:01

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:01
Amen to Rosscoe.......that's the way to go......you should get the oil changed sap, plus the new filter....there won't be any shavings in there but a brand new donk deserves some TLC while its settling in.......why don't they program a modest service at 1,000 ? Marketing issues require them to offer the free service at 1000....to reduce the costs of that offer, they delete the factors that actually cost them ..... the inspection is, as others say, worth what you pay (nothing) ! Its all bulldust marketing.
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Reply By: Bazza - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:01

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:01
G'day Steven,
I had the same issue with mine, but I instructed the dealer to do an oil and filter change at my cost. It's the cheapest insurance you'll ever get for that motor. I'm also not confident that some dealers do all they say in the some services, so to try to ensure I get what pay for, I do things like ... marking the filters for ID and have wired and sealed the sump plug.
Regards,
Bazza.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:19

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:19
Geez....no oil change @ 1000klm service, eh???

With the 3.0l Nissan diesel, they don't change the oil either...........they change the motor!!! LOL

Okay...sorry blokes...don't forget I am actually a Patrol bloke myself!!!! Imagine how much muck I'd hang on the poor defensless 3.0ltr motor if I was a Toyota owner???
LOLOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:49

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:49
ROFLMAO.
Good one Roachie!
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 15:00

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 15:00
Geez Roachie, your a nice type. Turn on your own kind. I'd bet you would even charge your own missus interest on the housekeeping money. LOLLOLLOLLOL hahahahaahhahahahahaa
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 16:04

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 16:04
C'mon Des,
Doesn't EVERYBODY???????????LOLOL
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Follow Up By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:21

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:21
I needed that Roachie, Wait till I see you in June
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:40

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:40
Sorry Bob,
I don't think I'll be able to make that weekend now after my little outburst above......I think I've got to shampoo my hair that weekend!!!
Seeya.
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Follow Up By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:42

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:42
Chicken!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 18:55

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 18:55
What bloody hair!!!
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:27

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:27
G'day Steve, That mate of yours is a worry but I guess you can expect little from a person who expouses that he drives a Poo-trol. LOL
I thought he wore a toooopay anyway.
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:30

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:30
Thanks for the quick responses guys!

I will check the book at lunchtime but I am sure it will say not. If I had known that all they would do is see if the horn works then I would not have bothered!

Will be using a private place to do the regular work on it so I might just slip down and get him to do a change for me. Like Bazza said, it may not need it but it would have to be good insurance at this early stage. Methinks the dealer will only be seeing it for warranty work!

Cheers

Steven
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:27

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:27
Steven,
That's exactly what I did, in reality. Except I did it before I took it to the dealer for its first service.
My mecahanic found an oil leak and even though I pointed this out to the people behind the desk, they gave me the keys back an hour or so later and said everything was fine.
What about the oil leak, I says.
Oh, the mechanic replies. We only do a visual inspection???? What did he think my mecahanic did - strip the engine!
In their defence they have looked after me since even though it took three return visits to finally get the problem fixed. Turned out to be a weeping welsh plug at the back of the block and not the rear main seal as I originally feared.
All's well that ends well.
I assume you know, that provided you can demonstrate that the vehicle has been service correctly as per the manufacture's recommendations, your warranty is not effected. For peace of mind, I would recommend that you use an authorised mechanic/worksop and that you get them to complete the service coupon. Just in case.....
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Reply By: Happy GU Owner - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:30

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 12:30
Steven,

I came across the same situation with my new 3 Litre Patrol. The dealer even went as far as saying that they prefer not to change the oil at the 1500 km service and that I SHOULD leave it in there, even when I OFFERED TO PAY for the oil change. Strange way of thinking in my opinion, as I would have preferred to change the oil, but I went with their recomendation..

Michael
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:08

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:08
Steven,

Oil hasn't been changed at 1K for about 10 years and speaking from experience ( you would understand) no dramas there.Service intervals on all cars have changed over the years due to technology, improved oil quality and also pressure from the market to keep the "whole of Life" operating cost of vehicles down. Do you remember on the old FJ holdens changing oil and filters every 2,000miles. Bet no one would put that same oil in there current 4wd so don't worry just do the servicing by the book for normal use and if a lot of heavy use then do it more frequently.
I know I have a vested interest but dealer bashing gives annoys me. You will get good and bad wherever you go, dealer or independant . Surely it is about getting someone that you can trust. Build a relationship with your service manager or mechanic but please don't say all dealers are crap and all independant guys are good.

Also think about this. Do independant repairers get bulletins from the factory about different things peculiar to your vehicle? Do independant repairers work on sevral Prado's in a day and therefore understand them a bit better?

My experience says that yes anyone can change the oil but really there are very few independant repairers that are working on specifice 4wd enough to be fully experienced with the vehicles and in particular yours. As I said Steven build a good relationship with your service department and more often than not you will be getting the best service for your car.
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:34

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:34
Amen to that, David!
There are some shonky independents that I have come across in my time. Fortuneately,the guy I use is an ex-dealer service manager and is very, very big in attending manufacturer training session (at his expense).
He services most vehicle but because of his past connections does mostly one make.
Trouble with majors and dealers is just when you've developed that relationship the person leaves or gets promoted.
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 00:22

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 00:22
Thanks for the perspective David. I am staggered by the variety of responses to this post. I have posted below more fully my reasons for looking at using a private workshop. Guess I'll see how it goes.

I think it just comes down to how much you care about the vehicle and want to protect it or just use it and get by with the minimum cost.

Sorry if I came across sounding like dealer bashing. As you say there would have to be good and bad in all workshops, dealer or private. A post like this may draw out more of the horror stories than the good ones. That is the nature of the beast. For the 99 satisfied customers there is one customer who had a problem and that is probably who will be making all the noise!

Will you be at Berri on June long w/e?

Steven
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:13

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 13:13
Ok guys, from factory the oil used for initial fill is a usually a low additive non friction modified oil to allow the rings to bed in properly. So yeah you should leave the initial oil in for at least 5000k and top it up with normal oil if necessary.

The filters on the other hand should be changed at 500 - 1000k and again at 5000k, then as per schedule. Normally most filters start to go into bypass at around 9000 - 10000k. Because the first service is free, they don't change it. Extended services are there to make the running costs look lower for fleets etc.

All new motors will have some swarf and rag fluff etc. in the oil galleries etc. but that is the job of the filter.. and some of you would be amazed at what i have found in new motors ( best effort was a toyo). Never seen e'm change oil at the factory..

SO with a new motor change the filters at 500 and 5000, change the oil at 5000 - 8000 once the rings have properly bedded in , this is when you can go to a synthetic if you wish.. hope this helps some of you, remember the factory servicing schedule is only concerned with making it to the end of the warranty period..with low costs.
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Reply By: Davoe - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 14:45

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 14:45
just on servicing i was amazed that our tojos get serviced every 10,000 thinking that was against procedure i grabbed the service book but the 5,000k services are optional for extreme conditions there is also a sticker under the bonnet saying to change the oilm and filter every 10,000k - by the way these vehicles will be dollied up then returned to the lease providers as sub 60k cruisers and auctioned off where they mingle in with the general public (like most cruiser traybcks they dont get an easy life) always thoroughly inspect working class yotas because of their popularity and value it is well worth the stealer who buys it at auction to spend cash to make it look worth buying. some of the utes i have driven that have gone to auction wernt worth 5k but someone probably paid 20 somwhere for it
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Follow Up By: Outnabout David (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 15:29

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 15:29
The Toyota petrols are 10,000K intervals but the diesel are all mandatory 5,000K interval
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Follow Up By: Davoe - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:03

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 17:03
nah fraid not got the sevice book in front of me and the 5k oil changes are in brackets which means only neccessary for severe operating conditions the sticker on the air filter also sais every 10k although this is the first place I have been that only gets 10k services and i guess they dont care when they offload vehicles at 60k
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 15:45

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 15:45
Gotta luv those dealers.
I took my (then) new Patrol back to the dealer for the free service and then I looked after it myself. I'm no mechanic (I'm a keyboard jockey) but I know how to change oil/s and filters; so I do. I still get the big old oiler tuned up by a specialist cos I wouldn't have a clue where to start on that stuff.
When I hear about people paying $1,000+ for a 100,000klm service (my brother just did in his Landcruiser 4500 petrol which is about 7 years old and the only dirt roads he's been on is when he takes his trailer to the tip) it makes me sick in the gut.
However, there are some exceptions. As I've mentioned on this forum before, I had a bloody great experience with my local Nissan dealership here not long after moving from NSW. I have a camper trailer and a 8x5 tandem box trailer too. When we moved, the RTA wouldn't let me run a mini road train, so I had to leave the 8x5 in Yass for a couple of months. It contained my ramps and other stuff for the truck and as I was due for a oil change I (reluctantly) booked it in to Nissan. When I picked it up the service manager (g'day Graham) asked me whether I'd noticed any problems with 5th gear.......he said they checked the oil level and colour and were of the opinion number 5 was not long for this world. He offerred to change it over under warranty (a $3,500 job otherwise). I think I'd done about 80,000klm at that stage, so I was very greatful for them offerring to fix a problem I wasn't even aware of.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 20:26

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 20:26
All businesses get friendly when the new bank manager walks on to their premises....hahahahahaha
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:39

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:39
G'day Willem,
If only they knew the truth........
You know what they say.......a plumber's house will have leaky pipes;
A mechanic's car will spit and fart;
and a Bank Manager's bank account will be severely devoid of cash!!!
LOLOLOL
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Reply By: Bob N - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 18:42

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 18:42
Hello Steven,
I'm not going to go into great depths about toyota's servicing department but
please take note of everything that they do or more importantly don't do.
Like you I was shocked when I took my new 3.0td hilux for the 1000km service.
I watched , or should say stood in awe as the mechanic drove the ute out the back then around to the front wiped off the steering wheel and then locked the ute.
30 mins passed as I sat and looked at my new pride and joy glistening in the sunshine, needless to say I was the only person who looked at it.
When I approached the service manager he said "yes the car is ready it's all done"
After I explained that no one had been near it, he showed me a completed job card with the mechanics signature. To cut a long story short , the mechanic owned upto it and said " I didn't do the service" after about an hour of me yelling in front of other prospective customers.
What really got to me though was this guy has been working ther for 9 years so I can only wonder what else hasn't been done by him.
I've since changed dealers and I mark everything with a texta pen beforehand
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 20:03

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 20:03
Allways serviced my own vehicles, even a few new ones in the past and now I have a small fleet and it takes time but you have just reinforced my thought to keep doing it. Might spend some service money on a new 2 post hoist to make it a little easier.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:45

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:45
Steve, ol' buddy, ol' pal, ol' mate......once you get that hoist, I'll be over every weekend to gaze up in awe at my beautifully tucked undercarriage!!!! Of course as a form of payment for letting me use the hoist, I will help you glue all the bits back on that have broken off your fleet of tojos during the previous week.
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Reply By: Phil G - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:01

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 21:01
Steven,

Leave that oil in there. Its a running-in oil, so theres no benefit in changing it at 1000km.

I service mine by the book. If you do so, then your Tojo diesel will last forever.
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 23:54

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 23:54
Well, what a topic! Have a look at the variety of responses to my post. Everything from "change it immediately" to "it's running in oil that is meant to stay in til 5,000k's".

Hmmmmmm......

I am looking at going to a private workshop for my regular servicing. This is primarily due to proximity to where I work so that I can drop it off and walk to work then walk back down at lunchtime and pick it up but also due to word of mouth recommendation and fear of apprentice work and massive turnover in large dealer workshops (sorry David!). I have not actually used this place yet but a colleague at work who has a 90 series prado with the same diesel engine has had work done there and was happy to recommend it.

I talked to the owner of the workshop today and he suggested that the oil in the engine will most likely be fine till 5,000kms but if I am concerned then an oil and filter change at 2,500 kms certainly would not hurt followed by a service at about 6,000 and then at 10,000 and every 5,000 after that. We also discussed changing the filter at every oil change instead of every second one that Toyota recommends. I cannot see the point in putting clean new oil in a motor with a dirty filter for the sake of a $19 part! Roachie will back me up there I am sure.

He indicated that Toyota (and manufacturers in general) go minimalist on the maintenance these days because of marketing. Particularly leasing customers want to keep the "whole of life" costs down. He said if you actually care about your care as opposed to just using it for 3 years and then throwing it to the auction house and getting another one then you will do the more regular oil/filter change. Although my vehicle is leased, at this stage the plan is to keep it 6 to 8 years to get value from the vehicle and the accessories. That means looking after it so it lasts the distance comfortably

However I do take on board Davids comments above about Dealer Service Bulletins and specialist knowledge and tools. What a dilemma!!!!

This shop is only a general mechanic and do not profess to be a diesel specialist but he seems to know what he is on about and has an extremely neat and tidy workshop that is virtually "on show" from the customer area (if that counts for anything!)

He wants to use Castrol Magnatec FMX in my engine. Any one got anything good or bad to say about this???

Hopefully a few pepople will read through this topic and form their own conclusions on what to do (if they care enough!). I hope my experience helps a few people out!

Cheers
Steven
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Follow Up By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 08:15

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 08:15
Hi Steven
As Phil said "Running in oil" change at 5000 thats what I was told on our 90 TD, stay genuine on the oil filter lots more than $19 but packs of 10 are cheaper than singles.
I'm in the TLC Vic & they have an arrangement with a dealer- no apprentices, trade prices, have a work shop day twice a year, the guys are into 4wd and know the sort of things we do we do with them & what to look for when servicing, never been charged for a checkup after every trip we've done, have had 3 items replaced under warranty no hesitation.
As David said build a relationship with the service people & I would also check out TLC SA , most dealers have a courtesy car or will drop you off
at work etc. Also don't forget the service after 2500klm if worked heavy.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 21:03

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 21:03
Steven,
Your dilemma is common, and we are fellow South Aussies!

"I am looking at going to a private workshop for my regular servicing."
OK, your dealer will look after you well if you get them to do the work. If you go elsewhere, they will not support you. Fact is that the Prado TDs are probably the most reliable 4wds on the market. That 1KZ-TE motor has been around for 10 years and has no major reliability issues. Your choice: dealer vs private vs DIY. I personally DIY, but thats your choice, and if you DIY, then you take a (slight) risk.

"I cannot see the point in putting clean new oil in a motor with a dirty filter for the sake of a $19 part!" Genuine filtersare dual stage and discount price is $35-40. Only buy genuine. I change the filter 10k and the oil at 5k because the book says so. The oil in these engines is cleaner than any other diesel I've owned. I can see no problem here.

"he indicated that Toyota go minimalist on the maintenance these days." I can't agree - 5k servicing is not minimalist. Service a Tojo by the book......

"the plan is to keep it 6 to 8 years" Yeah - maintain it properly. My Prado Td is on a 10-20 year plan.

"Davids comments above about Dealer Service Bulletins" I know David personally, and have a very healthy respect for everything he says, but on the practical side, I understand the Prado TD has been a very trouble-free vehicle, so there is not much out there in bulletins. I would also like to say that there are some private workshops as well as dealer workshops that I would not use.

"This shop is only a general mechanic " Prado Tds are very simple to service.

"Castrol Magnatec FMX in my engine" Its a CF grade oil commonly used in workshops for the Prado TD. I use a CF-4 or CH-4 oil. Its fine.

So in conclusion, you need to be happy in your own mind. Dealer servicing with peace of mind about warranty, and I'd suggest CMI in Adelaide as an option that most of my friends have been happy with. Or if you go with private servicing, then your personally recommended mechanic would have to be a fool if he couldn't service a Prado TD. Stick with genuine filters, parts and coolant.

Cheers
Phil
2002 Prado TD

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Follow Up By: Phil G - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 21:08

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 21:08
Also, it might be worthwhile flicking through the archives of the 2 lists that deal with 120 series:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/120scool/ which is an LCOOL group and
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/90series/ which is the longest running Prado group.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 22:33

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 22:33
Thanks so much Phil for your "deconstruction" of my comments. You have virtually crystallised much of my thinking. I will probably be fine whichever way I go as long as genuine parts are used. I am starting to lean back towards Dealer service but it seems the more people you talk to (not just on the forum) the more points of view you get, sometimes conflicting.

My dealer has several yards. One of them is about 6 doors up the road from the private workshop that I am thinking of using (and about 1km from work) while the other is 15mins drive away. I was originally dealing with the Business Manager at the closer dealer but during the negotiation he moved to the other yard. I followed because I had built a rapport with him. It was a reasonably complex leasing deal and I did not want to have someone else take it over. The car was eventually delivered at the yard further away.

When I got the tyres changed over I was chatting to the guy there who I have also built up a relationship with (previous sets of tyres) and he told me about the differing service standards between the two workshops in this dealers two yards. The one from which I had the car delivered had a better reputation even though neither was stellar!!
The guy I originally had the dealings with has now taken over as Sales Manager of the closer yard and I dropped by to see him in the last few days to tell him how happy I am with the car. He is quite accomodating and of course is encouraging me to now have the car serviced at his workshop rather than the one further away wher the car was delivered. He has also offered me his own car as a courtesy car whenever mine is in service (which at 5k intervals will be often!!).

My only reservation in this is bad reports about the quality of the workshop (nothing concrete of course, just reputation). But I could equally be taking pot luck with the private bloke down the street based only on 1 friends recommendation. AAAHRRRGGGG!!!!!

You also pointed out something which makes it a bit easier though - the 1kz-te is not exactly a difficult beast! A ferrari it aint! Am I worrying too much? Should I just give it to the nearest dealer and be done with it?

I am by no means an anal retentive type person but I do want to ensure that a $60K investment is looked after properly. After my ramblings above I guess the point is that something like this is never cut and dried or simple and I just need to bite the bullet and get the job done and deal with any problems as they happen!

Thanks for the tip on the Yahoo groups, I am subscribed to the 120 group and have had a flick through the 90 group. Good stuff in there!

Thanks for the advice.
Steven
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 00:50

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 00:50
Hi Steven,
What about dealer for major services and local for other stuff. Lets face it a modern car doesnt need a lot done to it for most of the time. Filters, fluids, hoses, belts, and maybe a grease nipple or 2, done. Its not rocket sience, I rekon all 4by drivers who actually go off road should learn to do the basic's themselve so they know how it works and in the bush may be able to do minor repaires and make diagnois to problems.
Im trying to teach roachie but he hasnt got a very good base to work from !!! LOL

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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 01:02

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 01:02
Not a bad option there Steve!

I do 25,000 clicks a year so that is a service about 5 times a year or every two months. Get the local bloke to do the simple oil changes and get Toyota to do the biggies. I'll check the book but these are probably every 20,000 or 40,000 km. Might just be a good compromise.

Agree totally with your point about learning to be able to do as much as possible myself but I am living in a unit with virtually no facilities. It is hard enough finding a suitable place to wash it let alone service it. Ahhh.. the joys of city living!

Let me know when it is servicing day at your place and I'll slip mine in among your fleet. I sure it would blend right in!!!!! Right next to Roachie's!

Cheers

Steven
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 01:10

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 01:10
Sorry mate your welcome anytime, but your toyota will never slot in next to Roachies, far to superior. HAHA Time for bed I think.
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Reply By: Rossco100series - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 22:24

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 22:24
Steven when I bought my 100 series the toyota dealer in geelong changed the oil at 1000 k's but not the filter so ripped thebleepout of them for not changing the filter as well. My manual says every 5000k's to change the oil and filter but I still have to tell them I want the filter changed as well, cause if I dont they will only change it every 10,000 k's. And also after 1000k's there would be some particules in the oil and filter from the machining process, so change it.

My say is new oil new filter and dont scrimp on the oil.

Rossco
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Reply By: Aandy(WA) - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 23:29

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 23:29
Steven I hope you don't seriously think that there are bits of metal left in the engine during manufacture!!! I think that's underestimating modern manufacturing processes!!
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 23:44

Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 23:44
Yeah Aandy!

I wasn't talking visible chunks perhaps!! But you never know do you. Unless these things are assembled in a cleanroom there is always the possibility of some foreign particles getting in there. The main part of the run-in seems to be "scoring the bores". This, and the seating of other contact parts, would obviously involve some abrasion which logically may produce particles which are presumably to be borne away by the oil system. I would like this to be removed at the earliest possible time! I know that it has filters and stuff and is designed by some of the best brains on the planet but IMHO an early oil change cannot hurt!

Remember they are building hundreds if not thousands of these things per week and of course costs is always a consideration. I bought Toyota partly due to their quality control reputation.

Perhaps I should have more faith! It has been top notch so far up to 1,600kms.

Steven
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Friday, May 21, 2004 at 11:42

Friday, May 21, 2004 at 11:42
Refer to my answer above Aandy, i have cut open lots of filters from new cars and usually find some swarf etc.. The best effort i have seen was on a toyota corolla, it was only 5000k old and had problems, ended up dropping the sump and found a large rag in the sump totally blocking the oil pickup..

In my current role we deal directly with oem manufacturers and i must say that the standards are heaps better than in the past, but you will always get some contamination, it is not usually a prob, thats what the filter is for.
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