Pumping oil for diffs etc.....
Submitted: Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 20:06
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Roachie.kadina.sa.au
I'm always trying to make life simpler for myself.....but usually end up making it more bloody complicated.
I changed my rear diff oil a week or so ago....and with the aid of a mate we managed to get the 4 quarts in eventually, although not without a few spills along the way.
I am putting off doing the front one until this arrives off ebay:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121712037041?euid=0b8f5581c2234a9e8d84d03bcf7dfd7c&cp=1&exe=12809&ext=32584&sojTags=exe=exe,ext=ext
I've used these little pumps for fuel in the past, but reckon that it should be okay for oil too, as long as it doesn't have to lift it too far etc. I plan to make the in/out hoses as short as practical.
Wondering if anybody else has tried this method?
In the past I have used a pressure vessel (
old truck air tank) and about 20psi pressure to pump such oil; even for engine oil. I've also spent over $40- on a push/pull syringe; useless bloody thing unless you've got biceps like Rambo!!!
Anyway, time will tell I guess....nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Roachie
Reply By: pop2jocem - Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 20:56
Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 20:56
Can't remember the brand and it's down the shed and I can't be bothered wandering down there in the dark to look.
This design of pump was, and probably still is, used for extracting the old oil from marine engines and gearboxes where it is impractical to get any container large enough under the engine. I'm talking here about a sump that would hold around 80 liters or more.
Basically it is round, about 250 mm dia by 100 mm deep or wide whichever way you want. It has a handle attached to a shaft that protrudes from one side. You just stick the suction hose in the oil container and the delivery hose with a right angle hose fitting on the end into your gearbox, diff or whatever and work the handle back and
forth.
It will pump even cold diff/gearbox oil fast enough and with little effort to fill a Land Cruiser diff for example in
well under a minute. I made up a small tripod arrangement to mount it on, that sits over a 4 or 5 lt container.
The design has been around for decades. I can remember my late father using a larger version to transfer water from one tank to another.
Cheers
Pop
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 06:11
Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 06:11
Come on Pop, that is a tease, no pics................. LOL
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:26
Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:26
Sorry
John, I don't think us low-life-tight-arse visitors are allowed onto the hallowed ground of
pic posting.
And that's assuming a low-tech-G-O-M like me could even achieve such a technological marvel...lol.
Cheers
Pop
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 14:27
Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 14:27
Pop,
If this works, Visitors are still allowed to post pics by first uploading the
pic to a third party like Photobucket etc and then using the "Insert Images & Files" button.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 14:28
Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 14:28
Looks OK to me
Regards
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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 21:14
Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 21:14
Roachie
Get an old fire extinguisher with a flat base, modify the screw out handle.
Braise a tyre valve into the cylinder up near the top.
Fill the cylinder with the required amount of oil.
Hose clip a plastic hose to the trigger mechanism.
Fasten the compressor on the the valve and whooshca the diff will fill in seconds.
Why didn't you think of that ?
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Follow Up By: Roachie.kadina.sa.au - Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 21:42
Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 21:42
Thanks Stan....that is pretty much what the pressure vessel is that I've been using, but
mine is a bit larger and more cumbersome to move around.
I will think about the ideas that everybody has suggested....if the little $25- pump doesn't do the job it might be back to the big clunky unit....it does work
well I must admit (holds about 20 litres).
Cheers,
Roachie
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 22:13
Sunday, Aug 30, 2015 at 22:13
I think you will find the oil too thick for those petrol pumps.
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Reply By: Ross M - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 21:54
Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 21:54
I use an old nissan Skyline power steering pump which was damaged on a crash. Bolt lug broken off.
$16
grey drill from supercheap is used to drive the shaft of the power steer pump.
Fills Engine, diffs, gearbox etc, easy as, you can also stop, ie no blurting like airpressure systems do) when it is full or overflows. Can reverse if needed to suck a bit back to prevent spillage.
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Follow Up By: Roachie.kadina.sa.au - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 05:38
Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 05:38
What a GREAT idea!!!
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Reply By: Slow one - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 07:42
Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 07:42
Roachie,
I use an expensive method. Clear plastic tube with a funnel in the top, plus a cheap ball valve near the diff or gearbox end.
I route the tube to get as good a fall as I can and tape the funnel to a step ladder. Pour the oil in the funnel and just wait. Someone can watch the filler and then just turn the valve off when it is full.
Clean up, is drain the excess oil that is in the line back into the oil bottle. Then I bin the cheap plastic hose.
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Reply By: Ron N - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2015 at 11:20
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2015 at 11:20
Diffs and axles for road vehicles rarely require any serious quantities, so you don't need a big pump.
I have an antique, cast-iron, diff-and-gearbox pump designed for the old 12-gallon drums, which delivers a measured dose (one pint, as I recall), by rotating the handle until it stops. You then wind the handle backwards and start again for another pint.
It's a great way to measure the exact amount, especially when you know exactly how much the gearbox/diff holds.
However, for road vehicles with small compartments, I utilise a 4 litre plastic bottle and a Septone hand-cleaner metal pump.
These little metal pumps are great, and they work
well with heavy gear oils.
Septone hand pump
All you need in addition to the pump, is a length of clear PVC tubing attached to the pump spout - and in a couple of minutes, your diff or gearbox is full, with little spillage.
If you utilise a larger container, and the pump suction tube doesn't reach the bottom of the container, just attach a length of PVC tube to the suction tube.
I just pulled the diff out of my 5-tonne FSR500 Isuzu truck to replace a pinion shaft bearing. The diff holds 5.7 litres, and it only took me a few minutes to fill it right up with the Septone pump and a bottle.
The beauty of this setup is that you can take the whole lot under the vehicle with you, and do it all on a one-man basis.
Cheers, Ron.
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