Electromic rust protection

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 18:48
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Now this should open a can of worms :)
https://www.finance.nsw.gov.au/about-us ... on-devices
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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 19:53

Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 19:53
As this has been mentioned on another forum...........my reply is the same...

Well its 2015 and I'm really not surprised! We are being conned all the time these days!

Having said that....................

The good old days of making, building something to lasts is gone.............there's no profit in it!

I remember back in the early 80's, my Adidas 3 stripe lasted me 3 years! and thats after heavy abuse from wearing them day in, day out, kicking the footy around for a few hour s a day, running around and then growing out of them. They stopped making them.

My 1991 80 series has a sticker on it, its documented that it has been ERP. I live within a huge stone throw of the sea and the 80 is parked outside of a night time all the time. The gutters on my home are rusted to the point that they need replacing, my 10 year old pergola is made from steel which is powder coated and its rusted.

Yet my 1991 80 Series which has a sticker to prove it has been ERP, still has no rust!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mind boggling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They don't make them like they used too!
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 01:38

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 01:38
Craig, your 80 Series Landcruiser body was built by Arakawa Body Works for Toyota.
Arakawa Sheet Metal started making bodies for Toyota around May 1947.
As with many automotive body-builders, Arakawa used a process for corrosion protection known as EPD (Electro-Phoretic Deposition).
This process has been in use since the 1960's - International Harvester Australia used EDP in the production of the ACCO truck cabs from around 1975.

EPD painting works on creating a fine mist spray of protective coating particles, which are then electrically positively charged.
A corresponding negative charge is applied to the body structure or panels being coated, and the protective coating is drawn electrically to the body structure or panels in a very thorough manner. This ensures all parts of the structure or panels are fully coated with the protective coating.

EDP can also be applied in a tank of liquid, containing the protective coating product. The body structure or panel is immersed in the tank of liquid and electricity is applied to cathodes and anodes to make the protective coating cover every surface of the structure or panel.

This is not the same corrosion prevention process as the electronic rust prevention systems currently being flogged, which have dubious results.

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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 20:03

Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 20:03
No can of worms there....pretty much what people have been saying for 20 yrs....only this time someone in authority has come out and said it !!
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 20:04

Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 20:04
Gday
Thats a bit like light bulbs , i'm led to believe they only last 400 hrs. So if you dont go out at night , you have got it made.
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Reply By: Michael H9 - Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 21:36

Thursday, Nov 26, 2015 at 21:36
I do need some electronic rust protection for my hiclone.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 15:01

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 15:01
Their made of stainless steel
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 17:06

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 17:06
So their manufacturer's tell us Batt's. But I wouldn't believe a word they say!
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Dec 10, 2015 at 01:04

Thursday, Dec 10, 2015 at 01:04
I have bought 3 hiclones over the yrs and their stainless couldn't say what grade never took any particular notice of that I have talked about them before and what changes it made to the vehicles. It's all too common they get a bad rep from people who are not willing to try one to see if they do make a difference to their vehicle they commonly use the excuse they wouldn't waste their time or money on one pretty poor excuse not having a go at anyone in particular here and I know there were no comments on their ability to make a difference or not. On other sites I visit some people call them snake oil I think because their scared to try something different that just may surprise them that it might work.
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Reply By: Ron N - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:18

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:18
Hmmmm ... designed by Certified Engineers - backed by independent testing - clients include the military, plus major companies involved in salt and minerals mining, and fertiliser production - dozens of testimonials from happy customers ....

CAT electronic anti-corrosion system

So .. why isn't this above crowd being shut down by Fair Trading??

Have they conned the Fair Trading examiners as well??

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:57

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:57
The NSW Fair Trading document stated... "The makers of other, similar products are also being investigated by WA Consumer Protection."
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:52

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:52
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Oldtrack's link did not work for me.Try this one.

And it is about time that action was taken against such shysters.
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:57

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 00:57
Hi
This is the interesting bit in their blog
[quote]The only scientifically controlled way to test the CATs effectiveness is in a salt fog and humidity chamber. We have therefore invested over $250,000 in our own testing equipment in order to do continuous testing and improvements of the CAT product. We also regularly submit the CAT for independent testing to verify our own results and to ensure impatiality. The most recent testing was conducted in April of 2015 by SGS - the world's leading inspection, verification, testing and certification company. (full test report available on request).[endquote]

Now anyone who has experience with cathodic protection would have a good laugh at THAT

Yes, in a constant heavily mineralized HIGH humidity situation , the surface constantly covered with mineralised water the current will flow across the surface& possibly find bare metal areas
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Such a tests are in no way a replication of actual conditions that most vehicles are used or kept in, & mean absolutely ZERO .
THAT IS THE REAL CON PART!!

That is why those who understand say, yes ,if you let your car out in such conditions it will work. But normal rain water is very low in mineral content & dew would be just as low

The cleaner you keep your car,washed & polished, the less chance it has of doing even a little bit

But if you keep your car in nice& dirty with heavily mineralised soil & plus a wet with highly mineralised water, it will have some affect depending on number of & location of the pads
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Reply By: Malcom M - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 06:26

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 06:26
What can of worms? The link is https://www.finance.nsw.gov.au/about-us

As the topic is clearly electronic rust prevention, presumably the link has been changed.
Anyway, its very simple. Ask the manufacturer for the scientific test results he has independently commissioned.

My guess is that they do not have any scientific test results whatsoever and are relying on anecdotal evidence from commercial beach fishermen..
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:34

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:34
No Malcom, the problem is if you do not insert links the proper way they will fail. The forum software will turn short URLs into clickable links. Your URL is about as long as the software will handle. Any longer than that and the extra bits on the end will not be included in the clickable part.

The moral is - - if you want your link to work then use the link symbol at under the typing section to insert your link.










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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:57

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:57
Peter, its exactly the same link as the OP posted.
I know how to embed links but thanks for the info. Not sure what it relates to though as I wasn't trying to embed any long links.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:15

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:15
Malcom, the link that oldtrack123 was attempting to post is definitely not the one that you posted. There is a very big clue that you obviously missed. Have a look at the original and you will see it ended with ".au/about-us ... on-devices" If you really did understand the posting of links you would have picked that up.

If you look at the reply by Alan B (a couple of replies up) you will see the actual link that OT was attempting to post. Quote "presumably the link has been changed" - no the link has not changed. It's the same one he has posted on other forums.


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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:30

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:30
Well you've certainly got yourself puffed up haven't you!

As the self proclaimed expert that you are, you'd know that clicking the link does not take you to the desired page.
If you bothered to read my post before you started to get yourself all huffed up, you'd read that I acknowledge that fact and move onto comment re the real subject matter.

"no the link has not changed. It's the same one he has posted on other forums."
Well silly me for not reading 'other forums'. You are retired so telling you to grow up would be pointless but the thought is there.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:55

Friday, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:55
You can find the article by clicking on oldtrack123's link in the first post; typing "rust" into the search menu on the Dept of Finance, Services and Innovation webpage, and hitting "enter".

This search produces only one result, and that result is the article that oldtrack123 tried to link to.

The article is entitled "No Rust Bust: Warning Re Car Rust Reduction Devices".

The DFSI article contains a link at the bottom to the Australian Consumer Law, "enforceable undertaking" - the original action initiated by the W.A. Dept of Commerce, against High Performance Corporation P/L and Motorone P/L.

The "enforceable undertaking" specifies that the Defense Pak Computerised Electronic Corrosion Inhibitor units, that the two companies were selling, is no longer allowed to be sold in Australia due to misleading advertising, and false claims about the units effectiveness.

In addition, the two companies have to publish a Corrective Notice about the product - and also issue refunds to anyone who bought one of these units, for the 3 year period from 1st Jan 2011 to 31st December 2013.

It has taken more than 2 years for the W.A. Dept of Commerce to act in this case - but I have no doubt, a lot of the other "snake oil" electronic rust prevention sellers are getting worried.

Here is the link to the W.A. Commerce Dept "enforceable undertaking".

Enforceable Undertaking relating to electronic rust prevention unit false claims

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