12V water pump circuit
Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 16, 2015 at 19:46
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eaglefree
Building my own small caravan as seen on a few threads here.
Am having only 12V power. Have two water outlets, a cold water sink and a cold shower. Hot water from a solar bag.
Got a 44 litre black
water tank installed. Got a 12V pump off that then a blue pipe 10mm to a "T"
junction. One goes to a normally off solenoid 12V then to the shower. The other to a normally off solenoid to the sink.
For the life of me I cant work out the wiring circuit. Both the shower and the sink on/off switches have two poles only.
I have two cables from the pump area to the fuse box each with 2 cables eg two x a double cable so I can use two circuits one for each line. But I want to avoid a 24V spike if both switches are turned on the same time.
Hope you people can help out.
Reply By: HKB Electronics - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2015 at 21:59
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2015 at 21:59
Generally most use taps with switches in them, the water will only run through the tap
that is open.
If you don't have taps as such then you would need to run from the switch to the
solenoid then from the solenoid to the pump through a suitably rated diode. The diodes
will prevent the positive
feedback to the other solenoid.
Another option would be to use a relay with a changeover contact, one switch operates
the solenoid and through the break contact to the pump.
The other switch operates its solenoid and the relay and connects to the make contact
of the relay.
The pump is connected to the lever spring contact.
Principle of operation is switch one operates its solenoid and through the realy the pump.
Switch two operates its solenoid and the relay and through the relay to operate the pump.
Hope that makes sense.
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Reply By: kgarn - Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 08:51
Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 08:51
If you are trying to minimise weight then keep in mind that adding a second pump will add perhaps up to 2kg.
If you use the single pump configuration and use one half of a
bridge rectifier as shown below then you would only add ~ 20g, however you may need to mount the device on a small heatsink.
The cost of the rectifier as shown is only $5.50 at Jaycar.
As shown in the diagram, only one half of the
bridge is used, but the package is convenient and easy to use and mount..
Ken

Pump schematic
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Reply By: eaglefree - Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:22
Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:22
thanks again.
Last night I ordered another pump...$29 including postage.
From a "Y" fitting from the tank the systems will be totally separate. See my "taps" aren't taps. The sink is a straight through spout with just a toggle off/on switch beside it and the shower is a straight hose to a camping shower head, again not a tap and with an off on switch. So full control must come electrically.
Hence the posts about diodes etc to prevent the other line running water when you want
the firs tone only.
So never mind now, easy solution to buy a second pump.
Regards to all
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 13:20
Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 13:20
OK I understand now. What you are intending is just an alternative to 1 pressure pump.
The only thing you might want to
check on is if the pumps you are going to use have some sort of delivery and suction valves. If not you may need to install non return valves in the 2 top "Y" suction lines or the pump which has been selected will try to draw air through the other "Y" leg and cavitate because there is no tap to block it off.
Cheers
Pop
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Reply By: swampy - Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 16:02
Thursday, Dec 17, 2015 at 16:02
hi,
A form of flow control will need to be inline on the output side of pump .
The pump needs to pulsate to some degree if not it will not keep up with the demand.
If it barely pulsates u need to consider a larger pump.
A pump with internal bypass circuit is also a benefit ,reduces the aggresion of pump pulsation .
To simplify the system ,as been said before fitting taps at the sink & shower would have been the preferred method ..
In line ball valve would be ideal on the cheap / tap with wall mount fitting for the shower
A large cheap pump is around 75 17ltr flow and a large brand name is around 100$ 11 ltr flow
swampy
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