Which dual cab 4x4 ?

Hi all,
Would like feedback from experienced owners of 4x4 diesel dual cab utes of the pros and cons . I currently have a 2014 Triton to which I have been happy with but due to upgrade soon.
Questions;
How does the New Triton compare to the old one.( with the new motor is it a lot better?)
Isuzu, Colorado, Navara ,Triton??
Mazda BT- 50, Ford Ranger.5cylinder
As said I was happy with the Triton overall, just lacks power when towing and loaded.
I generally set them up with a bulbar, towbar, canopy to which I carry about 100-150kg of load and tow a camping trailer (1.5 tonne) ?? occasionally. I do a bit of beach and off road work but mainly highway or gravel road driving.
Doing research on pricing the new Hilux is out of the question due to the size of the motor compared to the Ranger or Mazda, and the price of the new Triton out does the similar competetors when comparing apples with apples.
I have been thinking of the Ranger or BT50 due to the larger engine, but then trying to justify the price compared to the Triton.
Thank you for your time.
Richard
Back Expand Un-Read 1 Moderator

Reply By: Sigmund - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 13:18

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 13:18
The D-Max is strong, simple and easy on the juice. And good value. Still has the understressed 3 l diesel. I speak as a MU-X owner which is the wagon version.

Can I suggest that if you don't need a one tonne payload there's value in checking out wagon versions?
AnswerID: 594260

Reply By: Jackolux - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 13:46

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 13:46
You will get as many different answers as there are vehicles , the only way is to check em all out for yourself.
I have a new model Dmax , would l recommend one , well that depends on specific use .
AnswerID: 594262

Follow Up By: Kyle H - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 17:10

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 17:10
Plus the twin cab I drive will also be the best.

But I don't drive a twin cab but if I did I would buy the Ranger at the minute mainly because of the extra engine cubes for towing.
There is talk of a Amarok coming out next year with a 4.2 litre Touareg diesel V8
0
FollowupID: 862625

Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 17:33

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 17:33
There is a utube clip from a motoring journalist doing side by side testing of an Amorok v a Ranger and the Amorok wins every time loaded, unloaded and towing to full capacity
Surprised me and just goes to show what a difference a well matched motor and drivetrain can do
Google it and it should come up
0
FollowupID: 862626

Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 17:51

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 17:51
That 8 speed auto might be the clue, Alby?

If you have a gear for "every" situation, it is sure to improve the driveability of the vehicle.

Bob

Seen it all, Done it all.
Can't remember most of it.

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  My Position  Send Message

1
FollowupID: 862629

Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:43

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:43
Yeah I think so Bob, I would say they have a very small but sharp torque band and those 8 cogs keeps it in there
0
FollowupID: 862641

Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:46

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:46
Here is the link

Amarok V Ranger
0
FollowupID: 862642

Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 21:58

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 21:58
Interesting re getting power to the ground in a standing quarter mile. But there's more to choosing a modern 4WD ute than that!

FrankP

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  My Position  Send Message
Moderator

0
FollowupID: 862648

Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 00:15

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 00:15
Amorok owners say going forward without a typical low range of gearing is fine, even steep slopes.
But they have real issues if they have to back down long steep slopes, with only the one reverse gearing and no low range.
0
FollowupID: 862655

Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 03:32

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 03:32
Agree and not my thing
Just pointing out that the biggest motor in the range is not necessarily the most powerful
0
FollowupID: 862660

Follow Up By: gbc - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 07:28

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 07:28
That result has never been replicated before or since by any other test. It was a gee up.

Ranger is 11.1 seconds to 100 kph. Amarok is 12.2.
Not that racing twin cabs is in any way important.

A link to a test done in this country. Recently. By humans.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/388419/ute-comparison-ford-ranger-v-holden-colorado-v-isuzu-d-max-v-mazda-bt-50-v-mitsubishi-triton-v-nissan-navara-v-toyota-hilux-v-volkswagen-amarok-2/
0
FollowupID: 862662

Follow Up By: Kyle H - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 20:11

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 20:11
Yep gbc you are spot on but showing that video to Ranger owners normally arcs them up.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjXiIXbnIPKAhXhLaYKHX64AkMQFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motoring.com.au%2F4wd-dual-cab-ute-2015-comparison-54395%2F&usg=AFQjCNEAfVRvK_xOcvZ-15ydKpr79PBXQQ

This is a recent comparison of nearly all the twin cab utes and if you are in the market is hand to make comparisons.
0
FollowupID: 862700

Follow Up By: Des G2 - Saturday, Jan 09, 2016 at 14:50

Saturday, Jan 09, 2016 at 14:50
I haven't seen that test. Amazing that the Amarok, as one of the older Ute's still came second overall. It's bi turbo engine must be incredible and given its current price versus the ranger makes it a serious option......
0
FollowupID: 863186

Reply By: Top End Az - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 14:26

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 14:26
I have a current Dmax with 50k km for the last 3 years
Pros: lots of space in the cabin, well priced, reliable and proven drivetrain, quite economical, and the current model has 3.5 t towing although mine is 3t. The motor is relatively under stressed being 3 litre so longevity shouldn't be an issue. It's been all through the north of Aus through all the usual bucket list destinations and we love it and would get another. We don't tow, but know others who do and love theirs.

Cons - the power / torque figures are not as high as others in the market, and the traction control isn't that flash, although that isn't a problem for us as we use it for family touring mainly.

Best advice: read the magazines to get price/ equipment levels, then throw away the magazine.
There are plenty of new Utes in the market. Best to drive all of them and prioritise what is most important. I'm not handy with the tools so reliability in remote places was important, as was pricing.
Good luck. Mind you, there will be plenty of differing opinions on here.

AnswerID: 594263

Reply By: Roachie Silverado - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 15:15

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 15:15
I have the "other" D-Max and have NO issues with power for towing..... hahahaha

Plenty of rear seat legroom too....

AnswerID: 594265

Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:18

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:18
I think you need a more solid bullbar Roachie :D
Serious stuff that !!
0
FollowupID: 862638

Follow Up By: Geepeem - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 21:38

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 21:38
Me too. Bowtie 'til I die.
0
FollowupID: 862647

Follow Up By: 410 - Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 13:40

Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 13:40
Nice truck, this is what I would like.
0
FollowupID: 862819

Reply By: Ron N - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 15:23

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 15:23
410 - Do a proper test drive with the vehicle you have in mind, coupled to what you want to tow.
Any dealer worth his salt will arrange this - even if it's just with a used model of the vehicle you intend to purchase.

Nothing beats a decent amount of Kw/HP and torque.
However, it also pays to study exactly where those claimed power and torque levels come in.
Most engines today are much smaller in capacity than they used to be - and as a result, they need revs to produce the power.
It's virtually impossible to find an engine today that produces substantial amounts of power and torque at modest RPM's.
They all need to reach higher RPM levels than the older engines, to produce their power and torque.

Nothing beats a big cubic capacity engine for producing low-down torque and power.
However, the only dual cab 4x4 today with substantial power and larger engine capacity is the 3.2L Ranger or BT-50.

For regular towing, you buy the most powerful and best vehicle you can afford - because if you get stingy on the outlay and select a cheaper unit with a smaller engine, you will probably regret the lack of power and comfort and ability, for as long as you own the vehicle.

If new pricing is exorbitant, and you aren't running a business where you can get a major tax deduction for the vehicle - then look for a near-new vehicle with low kms.
New vehicles depreciate substantially in value within a short space of time, and you can often get a very good vehicle with low kms, for a lot less outlay as compared to new.
Places to look for these vehicles are auctions and deceased estates, where prices are much lower than car yards and dealers, who have to get a lot extra to fund their business operations.

Cheers, Ron.
AnswerID: 594266

Follow Up By: Member - MARIC - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 20:20

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 20:20
V8 dual cab cruiser? grunt and more grunt
It is only when you see mosquito land on your testicles that you find another way to solve problems without violence

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

1
FollowupID: 862701

Reply By: Member - tazbaz - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 16:48

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 16:48
The Ranger is the way. The others listed are girly!
AnswerID: 594271

Reply By: Slow one - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:16

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 20:16
410, I have a 2012 Ranger that has towed a lot of K's now and has been off road a fair bit. All I know is I can't fault it for reliability, comfort and power. I had a look under a new BT50 yesterday and it doesn't have the same level of protection or strength in the chassis as my Ranger. That may not worry you if you depending what you use it for.

By the way I am not a Ford man or one eyed when it comes to vehicles.

Hope you choose wisely.
AnswerID: 594280

Follow Up By: 508 - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 21:03

Tuesday, Dec 29, 2015 at 21:03
Slow one, (or strength in the chassis), oddly enough I am currently looking to buy either Isuzu Dmax, Mazda bt50 or Ford Ranger. Where exactly is the Ranger chassis stronger than the Mazda bt50, or where is the Mazda chassis weaker. I am led to believe they are basicly the same except for cosmetic and suspension tuning differences which can help to explain the differences in price. Is the protective tin hiding something the average fellow can't see.
Alpero.
1
FollowupID: 862643

Follow Up By: Slow one - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 05:37

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 05:37
Have a look under at the gearbox cross member and protection on the passenger side. I will have another look today at the other cross members.
0
FollowupID: 862661

Follow Up By: Slow one - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:55

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:55
Alpero,
I had a good look and I stand corrected the chassis of both appear identical. Where my Ranger differs is it has a substantial bash plate from the passenger chassis rail and then about half way across the gearbox crossmember protecting the back of the transfer and what I think is the electrical high/low range/4wd selecting solenoid and wiring.
0
FollowupID: 862671

Follow Up By: Hoyks - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 21:11

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 21:11
You will find that the plate has been discontinued on both after 2012.
0
FollowupID: 862708

Follow Up By: Slow one - Friday, Jan 01, 2016 at 10:53

Friday, Jan 01, 2016 at 10:53
Hoyks, had a look under 3 new dual cab Rangers and they all had that plate fitted. One was an XL and the others were XLT's
0
FollowupID: 862770

Reply By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 08:10

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 08:10
I was in your position 410 about 18 months ago when researching a 4WD. Twin cab utes were the assumed solution by many but one forum member suggested I look at whether a wagon would suit better.

These seem to me to be the downsides of a ute:

Harsher ride unless you've got a decent amount of weight in the back. Some guys are still driving around with a few bags of sand to stop the back end getting skittish.
A canopy costs around $3 grand, it's likely to leak dust and you have the hassle of a lot of leaning in when trying to get at stuff.
Worse exit angles.

In terms of your specific questions, the new Triton is supposed to be much better on the juice than the old but I'm not sure whether the power delivery is improved. As I said earlier, a 3l TD is going to be a better proposition for towing. Eg. there are plenty of +ve reports about the D-Max and the MU-X as a tug. The 3.2 in the BT50 and Ranger also has plenty of grunt.

The Isuzu and Colorado are similar except AFAIK the Colly has a 2.8 l diesel from the Fiat/Chrysler stable that puts out more power. My reading of forum posts indicated that there were quality problems with the GM offering.

The dealer I got my camper trailer from had moved from a D-Max to the older model Triton and rued the decision, comparatively thirsty and uncomfortable.
AnswerID: 594290

Reply By: Member - Geoff M (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:04

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:04
Hi Richard, there are lots of dual cabs on the market with very similar power/torque figures but what is common is that all the manufacturers are chasing lower weights and better fuel economy. Now that is a good thing if you are mainly travelling on good roads but it is a different story if you venture off-road regularly.
In my experience and opinion, there are only three vehicles with a strong enough chassis and driveline for heavy loads and rough tracks - the patrol, Land Rover defender and land cruiser 79 series.
Again it is horses for courses, I previously had a BT50 that had problems and the most disappointing thing was the complete lack of care and support from Mazda Australia.
The BT50 & Ranger have some inherent problems but each brand of vehicle usually has their own quirks. If you select the Mazda/Ranger I just hope you have better support than I got if you have any problems.
Cheers Geoff
AnswerID: 594293

Reply By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:35

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:35
If you are looking at towing capacities, look further that the simple advertised figures.

Remember the Advertsied towing and load are for "smooth improved surfaces".

Look into the fine print ..... ball capacity, payload reduction required to achieve rated towing capacities and such.

For quote some time, various manufacturers have been playing fast and loose with towing capacities.

Just because a vehicle has XXX advertised towing capacity, it does not mean you will be able to tow that legally or safely using the arrangement you envisage.

While you are at it check the payload ........ and check what is included in the curb weight.

By the time you fill the fuel tank/s, and fit various accessories you may not have the payload you expect.

Yeh and all thise goes for any vehicle you are considering.

cheers
AnswerID: 594296

Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:43

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:43
410
It a shame you cant spend the extra dollars and get a Hilux.
The rest of the competition are on fairly even ground.

Cheers
AnswerID: 594299

Reply By: TomH - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 20:25

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 20:25
There have been reports of Amaroks with Dual mass flywheels having troubles with towing
AnswerID: 594330

Reply By: Bazooka - Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 22:03

Wednesday, Dec 30, 2015 at 22:03
It's only one guide but the Ranger has won a few COTY awards recently - Drive, Carsales, AustraliasBestCars, Carsguide..... all rated it top in that segment.

Here's two (similar) comparos.

http://www.motoring.com.au/4WD-dual-cab-ute-2015-comparison-verdict-54508

http://www.caradvice.com.au/388419/ute-comparison-ford-ranger-v-holden-colorado-v-isuzu-d-max-v-mazda-bt-50-v-mitsubishi-triton-v-nissan-navara-v-toyota-hilux-v-volkswagen-amarok-2/
AnswerID: 594334

Reply By: Winner W - Saturday, Jan 02, 2016 at 23:12

Saturday, Jan 02, 2016 at 23:12
Had Mn2010 Triton Glxr from new for just over year. Drivers seat killed me and my sons backsides after an hour or so in spite of all mods and spacers etc that I tried. Few problems but all fixed by Mitsi under warranty. Good value for money and the newest model too. Seat still the same it feels.
Triton didnt handle my 2.5 t boat plus gear for 4 guys well.
Have had a PX 2012 Ford Ranger Wildtrak auto now from new since 2012.
It has 115000k on clock and love it . Drivers seats are what I need like the NX Pajero.
I will keep the Ranger for many years . My first Ford.
The Competition that I like too but with my personal dislikes as follow:
Dmax good second option but I want a factory rear diff lock and bit more grunt to tow.
BT50 looks put me off and I wanted the Wildtrak features and lockable tubgate of Rangers.
Colorado bit rough and noisy .Looks ok
Nissan Stx550 high on my list but tried 3 times to get dealer to test drive then gave up.The new Np300 looks good but motor too small
Hilux . No fan of the propaganda company that stung my friends badly with their Toyotas and issues under warranty and injectors etc etc. Newest Hilux is realy a dissappointment. Smaller motor . Tablet dash touch screen . No 12v socket in tub... etc etc
The car advice comparative test review Of the current 5 top utes in Oz is accurate and factual and the Ranger wins for many reasons. Hilux ranks low...
Amarok motor is smooth revving and well built inside but I test drove one on beach and it got stuck in sand and refused to engage reverse. Two liter motor and five nut wheels not for me .
Whether its the best one for you is your call like your taste for wine is different to mine.
My Ranger has done 20000km of serious off roading and bush bashing on farms and on Mondays to work in the city it drives like a car.
It is not faultless but very few cars are.
If you want a farm ute in Windorah get a Cruiser ute or if rock climbing in utes is for you a Patrol.
My son saw what my Ranger did and got him a manual Xlt Ranger which is an awesome drive as well a few moths ago.
Test drive them all and enjoy your choice . They are all good utes but one will tick all the boxes for you.
AnswerID: 594424

Follow Up By: 410 - Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 13:42

Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 13:42
Thank you for your very informative answer.
Cheers
0
FollowupID: 862820

Reply By: 410 - Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 13:39

Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 13:39
Thank you to everyone who replied. Certainly plenty to think about and as said comparing apples with apples and justifying price variations.
Happy New Year.
AnswerID: 594447

Follow Up By: Winner W - Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 14:06

Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 14:06
Dont forget to tell us what you got in the end so we can start a forum fight :-)
2
FollowupID: 862821

Follow Up By: Winner W - Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 14:19

Sunday, Jan 03, 2016 at 14:19
Oh another thing 410. I know you will buy the XLT Ranger .... dont let any one tell you to upgrade the Ranger suspension. It is excellent from Factory. I only replaced mine at 90000km as I wanted a lift. The steel bull bar and 9500lbs winch just make it under the legal front axle weight with dyna rope on.
The nose did drop about 10mm as expected.
The auto is brilliant but my sons manual is awesome too as the 3.2 is well torqued to make towing or beach or city driving a pleasure. Not playing with gears the whole time to get it moving.
You will miss the Mitsi super select option of awd in the Triton as the Ranger locks the cd in 4wd so not awd . But you cant have it all.
Cheers
W
1
FollowupID: 862822

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (13)