patrol vs 80 series, ulp vs diesel

Submitted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 14:47
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hi, i am looking at buying either a GU Patrol or 80 series landcruiser, can people give me any sugestions.
Also petrol or diesel, with diesel becoming more expensive than unleaded, has anyone had any problems on treks running unleaded.
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 15:11

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 15:11
Hi There
Diesel Turbo the only way to go, less problems better economy and a safer fuel to carry.
Less electronics to go wrong as long as you stay with the 4.2 engines.
Spares and add on parts easier to find
Happy hunting
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:14

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:14
4.2EFI's in toyotas have just as many electronics parts as say a 3.0L Patrol. It's just the tojo's work.
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Reply By: flappan - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 15:35

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 15:35
Oooh , Petrol V Diesel Debate . . . . cool.

No problems with running Unleaded. Heard of more issues with getting dirty Diesel , and having to dump the lot.

Apparently , there are places in Central Aus , you cant get ULP. Only Diesel or Av Gas (not so good for Petrol engines apparently). Need to make arrangements.

Diesel has better economy , mostly . . . not 100% of the time , but mostly. With higher Diesel costs and associated servicing , depending on your use, diesels aren't always the best way.

My advice , do a spreadsheet , on both Petrol and Diesel comparing Costs of Fuel and other bits , for YOUR use , and see what comes out on top.

Either Petrol or Diesel GU or 80 will do a fine job , just a matter of personal opinion.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:51

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:51
A petrol vehicle seems to depreciate a lot more quickly than a diesel. Just something extra to take into consideration. As for the extra servicing if you are handy with a spanner the more frequent oil changes shouldn't be an issue.

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Follow Up By: uppy - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 11:44

Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 11:44
Hi flappan, Its good to read a balance answer to the question asked.Any of the 4x4 mention would be ok .Its your choice,I have had both deisel and petrol Patrols,Love them both.I currently have a gq efi 4.2.Yes i need to put a long range tank in it , and have to carry jerry cans from time to time, Which I dont find a big deal.I found my 4.2 deisel, a bit low on power when under load ,or on hills.And lots off $$$ when I did the injectors.I got about 850-900 kms per tank,and service it evey 5000 ks at a cost of around 250$$ per serive Apart from that a great truck.My petrol Patrol has done a fuel pump,which was about 480$ to replace,It does use petrol but not as much as people on this forum would have you believe.It is great off road and does have alot of torque for a petrol.I get it service every 10,000 kms,at a cost of 160$, and get about 750 kms per tank.My deisel Patrol was non tubro
regards uppy
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:26

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:26
Steer clear of GU 3L Turbo Diesel.
Steer clear of 80 series T/D early models.....they had an issue with weak bottom end bearings (but probably all been rebuilt etc by now maybe??)
Petrols are guzzlers in my book and I won't be buying another one in a hurry. I know all the stories about the initial price being a fair bit higher and that you can buy "x" amount of extra petrol with the money you save on the initial outlay price.....but then the resale value of diesels is better too, so (in my book) that nullifies the actual purchase price argument.
Diesel is a much safer fuel to carry (in jerry cans if you MUST).
As far as dirty fuel goes, I use a Morisons "DeBug" unit (advertised on this site) and it pretty-well takes care of cruddy fuel you might get in the back blocks. I also carry extra spare filters.
Both the 4.2 GU and Toyota will do you well. I have a personal preference for the GU because of it's bullet-proof drive train and excellent chassis etc, but the 80 series is also a damn good vehicle (hope there are none of the usual forumites watching this or I'll never live it down!!!!!!!)
Good luck with your choice.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:49

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:49
'Steer clear of GU 3L Turbo Diesel'


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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:06

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:06

Yes they are;

and that's why I suggested he should steer clear of them.

I know Nissan have been very good in most cases and have replaced the faulty donks.....but really; nobody wants to buy a 2nd hand vehicle with the thought that...."oh well, it might well break down, but at least I know that Nissan are being very good about it and I should only be off the road for a few weeks when MY turn comes around to see smoke billowing out the back end"........cos believe me; if it's a series2 3.0L GU, it is highly on the cards that this is what's gunna happen.

Like Truckster says......I WANT ONE!!!!!! (not)

Sorry, as a Nissan bloke through & through it really pains me to have to talk like this, but I can't, in all honesty, find it within myself to recommend the little 4 cylinder, electronic-everything, overstressed 3.0L powered GU to anybody.
Just my opinion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:08

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:08
Yep were watching Roachie and agree with you,
And agree with you Leroy they are Crap and unreliable as you never know when its not going to get you home.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 18:14

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 18:14
While some series 2 GU 3.0TD have a question on their reliability, the series 3 has yet to have a single proven case of failure like the series2. So, if a series 3 is in your price bracket, they are a great motor, fantastic for towing.

Also, as Roachie says, the 90-94 cruisers 4.2TD have a bad habit of doing bigends and should be avoided (unless fixed). But the later cruiser 4.2TD are the benchmark of performance and reliability. Only time will tell, but the series 3 GU 3.0TD is so far proving to be a reliable and powerful motor that outshines the venerable 1950's designed Nissan 4.2TD.

If you want a design that arrived with Noah, go the 4.2TD. It's not withouts its problems (like EVERY motor), but I do not know of a more reliable design. Too bad about economy, motor weight, power etc...

But if you want petrol like performance with diesel economy and torque, then hard to go past the series 3 GU 3.0TD. The only issue I had with the 3.0TD is the off-idle torque, but the Dtronic fixed that up!

Only my opinion ;-0~


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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 18:48

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 18:48
Firstly the cruiser problems were main brgs, and there are plenty that still knock but have done hundreds of thousands of ks so relyability is not an issue. The series 3 has a problem with its fly by wire that you cant keep a steady accelerator in rough terrain, and long term reliability has yet to be tested as there wouldnt be very many with 100,000 on the clock yet.
My cruiser turned 500,000 last week and is still a great 4by, lets see how your 4 cyl goes at that mileage and 15 years old? Your 80 series, if it was a deisel would have easily done high milage but I doubt you will be on this forum crowing how your 3ltr has clocked up 1/2 million ks.
If you want to tow a van go with the cubic inches and proven reliability of the 4.2 either brand.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:12

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:12
Hi Pesty,

There are series 2 and 3 GU 3.0TD's that have over 200,000kms on them. Not a large number granted, but they are out there.

As for my 80 series, at 13 years of age it had 300,000kms on the clock and never missed a beat - a very reliable, if slow, engine (non-turbo). Would never knock the vehicle, its a benckmark for reliability and off-road ability.

As for fly-by-wire throtle surge, while its annoying, hardly a major issue to base a purchase on. I personally do not have a problem, the Dtronic fixed that, so it is "fixable" if it really bothers you.

As for towing, the 3.0TD is SO much better than the 1HZ it is unbelievable (suppose 420Nm of Dtronic torque compared to 272Nm is the difference!!!). Plus the better fuel economy. Could not go back to towing with a 1HZ now.

And yes, you are right. I will never own this 3.0TD to 1/2 million kays. I will be on to my next Nissan/Cruiser/whatever in 3 years. But do I think it will last to 1/2 million kays, then yes I do think so. Only time will tell. Funny how you "know" it won't last.

Still find it funny how only non-owners of the 3.0TD knock them. Most, but not all, 3.0TD owners luv their Nissan. But have never seen so many non-owners knock this particular model. I have owned various different brands of 4WD's and ALL have had their faults. But apart from the Niva (lets not go there please!!!) they all were relaible and had their quirks. And I was a happy owner with all of them. I just find it funny that some toyota owners are soooo one eyed. Brand patriotism is fine, but don't get so carried away with it you start to believe what you don't know!

As for want2tour, you could not go wrong in either an 80 series (not pre 94 turbo) or GU (series 3 if 3.0DTD) which I think was the original question. I have had them both and reckon both are a great vehicle.


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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 20:38

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 20:38

You have taken my 'CRAP' statement out of context as it was a tongue in cheek remark to Willem's post yesterday that nobody got :-( I should of said 'what a load of crap' as you have put all 3.0l GUs in the same basket! I have a 3.0 GUIII and could not be happpier. They are a much more refined vehicle that the 4.2TD - smoother, quieter, much more comfortable to drive, powerful yet economical. I looked at the 4.2 and could of bought one. You'll have laugh at yourself one day as the day will come when you will buy a new vehicle and all that will be available will be the ones with the engines with 'electronic everything'.

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Reply By: Rosscoe - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:41

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 16:41
I did the sums and there ain't a lot it in total cost of ownership over the typical time you will keep the car. If it's a modernish turbo diesel there isn't so much of an issue with power/smoothness/noise anymore, so it does come down to personal choice.
The reason I went diesel this time was for towing. When towing with petrol, while cost was a consideration, my biggest bug bare was the reduced range because of the jump in consumption with an 1800 kg van behind.
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:14

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:14
I carry 370 litres of unleaded on long trips. This way I can do 1480km on a heavy going trip and a lot more on an easy going trip. Petrol only an issue in the remotest of places in WA and Central Australia.

I researched the diesel option for me for 12 months and decided in the end to stick with the petrol for the time being as I am able to repair most things myself on my old technology vehicle. Should I go for a much newer vehicle in the future I would probably go for an Automatic Diesel because SWMBO wants an auto.

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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:55

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:55
Drinks a bit don't it Willem? My reliable 2.8tdi gu gives me a great return of 12.3 ltrs/100km when cruising - drops to about 14 when going rough, low and slow. Interesting though how people stand up so fiercely for the particular vehicle/engine combination they have - good on 'em too I say - be a bu**er of a world if we all like the same things wouldn't it. I like your combination - simple, straightforward engineering that you don't have to have a degree in computing science to work on.
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Reply By: ianmc - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 21:45

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 21:45
I dont see any 80 series owners telling us that apart from them not handling a turbo, that the front axle under this 2.4 tonne behemoth is from the "unbreakable Hilux"
That account for c/v & diff problems!
I wish I could carry Willems 370litres in deisel in my Mits 2.5td. Fair chance of making Darwin from down Vic @ 10 kms/l.
Undersdand the 3.0 lt Patrol does even better. Willem I am not having a shot at you. I do wish some of the stuff on my old tech Triton was a bit easier to get at too & I guess it would be like a divorce to get rid of the Nissan when you can keep it alive yourself.
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