Do not overtake turning vehicle.

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Hi, can anyone point me in the right direction to purchase these signs for the back of the van in the Perth area. Googled it etc. without any luck.

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Reply By: TomH - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 11:56

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 11:56
A Truck supply place usually is the best seller Make sure you get the correct labelled ones Homemades are not legal
This tells you all about fitting them
Rules for signs

Lots of supply options here Try ringing around
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Follow Up By: Member - johntoyo - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:36

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:36
Thanks Tom for a copy of the regulations.

Found HyWay truck parts in Welshpool who stock them. Will make a trip down there shortly.

Thanks.
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Reply By: Hoyks - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 11:59

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 11:59
Have you tried a Truck Parts specialist?
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:10

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:10
Do a google on trailer parts too, John. As in BIG trailers, not the box trailer outlets.

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Follow Up By: Zippo - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:15

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:15
What Hoyks said. Or just a bit of googling:Here's one in Queens Park
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Reply By: Member - Warren H - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:25

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:25
You can get them from Getabout training here, $30 delivered.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:26

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:26
Will this do you

Ebay: Pair of do not overtake signs

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Follow Up By: TomH - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:06

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:06
Nope must have makers name and which standard they meet in little letters along the bottom or somewhere. As per here from VSB12

Markings
The front reflective surface of the plate must bear the name of the manufacturer or agent. In
addition, Class 2 marking plates must also be marked with the words “AS1906 Class 2” or “AS4001.2
Class 2”. “Class 1” plates also display letters indicating the correct orientation on the vehicle.


Lots on Ebay someone has just made and sell them and they dont comply either by size or the material they are made out of.
Those ones must be put on as shown. Saw a trailer going in for a roadworthy with the wording on the right side which is wrong. Often wondered how he got on LOL
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:21

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:21
For crying out loud as if that would make a difference to the following cars.

Do you really think that anyone would still go up the inside if they saw that the lettering was missing.

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Follow Up By: TomH - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:44

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:44
Am just quoting the regs and they must be made out of usually the correct reflective material.
May make a difference if you have an accident.
You dont make your own number plates so why not conform with signs.
They are pretty cheap insurance and Truck places sell the correct ones because trucks wouldnt get away with crook ones on inspection.
I missed this bit out in prev quote.


When buying plates, make sure that this information is provided on each of them. Plates without
this identification will not be accepted.

Not my worry but just advice for those that are going to buy them . Why waste money on Ebay shonks when for the same price, or less in some cases you can have the proper thing.


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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 23:12

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 23:12
We got the correct ones from a truck parts eBay store. Yes Phil, it is essential to be as pedantic as the regulation makers. If someone hits you and you don't have the right signs, you are the one in the cart.
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Reply By: TomH - Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:40

Monday, Mar 07, 2016 at 13:40
How to put them on the easy way.

Get a spray bottle about a 500ml capacity Put a teasponfull of dishwash liquid in it and nearly fill it. Take a credit card or similar for smoothing.

Clean the area to put sign on and mark it with pencil so that its level and centres if using the long one.
Mark centre of sign also
Make sure the van is level first.
Otherwise measure from a selected point on each side. Spray the liquid copiously on both the van and the sticky side of the sign.

Put it gently into place making sure its all wet. get centre on the mark and gently smooth from centre to one end. Dont touch sticky bit unecessarily.
I use a spray with 50% isopropyl alcohol as well so the when first end is in place you can spray that under it smooth over and it will stick straight away. then gently work away from that to get rid of bubbles. Use this method to apply 3M protective fim on my car bumpers and door sills
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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:39

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:39
Does anybody know the legal requirements that make these signs compulsory?

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Follow Up By: TomH - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:56

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:56
As far as Caravans are concerned or heavy trucks???
The rules are clearly set out in the link to VSB12 in my first reply so a good read will answer your question.
For a combination of a tug and a van almost all will qualify to have them as the rule says
that any vehicle or combination of 7.5m or more MAY have them.

Before I get jumped on I am NOT referring to heavy trucks as defined in the rules.

The benefit of them is if you have to straddle lanes to do a turn like turn left from an outside lane because of a protruding verandah and someone roars up your inside and hits you when turning, THEY are at fault.
If you do that without them YOU will probably be judged at fault.
For $25 its a no brainer
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 10:11

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 10:11
I just had a quick look and all I find is "when" they "may" be used. Not where that must/shall be used.

I will give you that they is reasonable cause for them to be of a sensible size and colour, however the regulations about when they shall be used avoided me.

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Follow Up By: TomH - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 12:02

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 12:02
I did in my reply above say they "MAY" have them and thats whats in the rules

The two paragraphs beginning with REAR are what is required

They are not compulsory for a light vehicle and trailer but "MAY" be used provided the vehicle as in a 25ft motorhome or a Tug and Van are over 7.5 m long . Anything shorter CANNOT have them.

A sensible person would have them if for no other reason than what I have said previously.

As most cars and a garden trailer would be that long you could in theory put one on to go to the tip ROFL
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 12:12

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 12:12
Tom my friend.

I read all what was said before and not arguing or having a go at you OR ANYONE ELSE for that matter, in any way.

Read the words I wrote and don't add anything more.

I simply and plainly asked if they were compulsory in the first paragraph. And then in the second paragraph I totally agreed that there is a good case to fit them.

Nothing more mate. Okay

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 13:33

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 13:33
As they are optional for caravan use it would be unnecessary for them to have the AS regulation lettering on them & eBay ones would be adequate, just as you can fit home made number plates to a standard garden trailer that doesn't require registration.

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Follow Up By: TomH - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 13:45

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 13:45
To Shaker Did not you read this bit

Markings
The front reflective surface of the plate must bear the name of the manufacturer or agent. In
addition, Class 2 marking plates must also be marked with the words “AS1906 Class 2” or “AS4001.2
Class 2”. “Class 1” plates also display letters indicating the correct orientation on the vehicle.

In my State ALL trailers have proper plates on them.

If you put home made ones on it may have insurance implications. For the cost you probably cant make them cheaper anyway.

It seems if you choose to use them they have to be the correct ones.

Have seen this gone on about on Van forums for over 3 years and the answers are always the same.

Follow the regs and you cant go wrong.
They have to be made of certain material which is different according to the design to be legal.

Not all the EBay ones are made from the correct stuff.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 15:33

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 15:33
The requirements would be enforcable if the signs were mandatory, which in your case they aren't.
In Victoria number plates are able to home made where registration is not required, such as a tray type trailer less than 3 Metres in overall length & not wider than the towing vehicle.

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Follow Up By: TomH - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 17:19

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 17:19
Just because they are optional doesnt preclude you from using the correct versions.
It boils down to if you use them, use the approved ones and you will have no worries.
The rules says if you use them they must be the correct ones, so why not.
Use something else and you may have problems.
For $25 why take the chance.
I prefer to comply and know Im legal
There of course others who no matter how easy it is to comply prefer not to.
How stupid is it to be running around with trailers with no plates on them. Wonder what insurance companies think of that. Only in Mexico it seems.
There are lots of optional things that can be fitted to vehicles but most still have to conform to some rule or another . EG width of towing mirrors, placement of lightbars, types of bullbars.
All have to conform to a specific rule. Same with signage.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 18:25

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 18:25
Enough already please
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 18:51

Tuesday, Mar 08, 2016 at 18:51
Phil, ignore this :-)

Shaker,

The law is sometimes an ass and defies logic. Sometime things are optional, but if you choose to have them, they MUST comply. It may not be logical, but it's the way it is.

EG 1 In NSW if you have a trailer OVER 2000kg GTM you must have a breakaway brake system and a means of monitoring in the driving position that the system is functional.

Now, if your trailer is under 2000kg GTM you can elect to have a breakaway brake system, but even though you're not REQUIRED to have it, if you ELECT to have it, you MUST have the monitoring system.

I asked NSW RTA about this because on my voluntary system I initially didn't have a monitoring system. I was told that I must install a monitor system or remove the breakaway brake system.

I cannot defend that level of bureaucratic stupidity. I can only report it.

EG 2 A mate of mine flew corporate jet aircraft for a living. His employer elected to install a non-compulsory system in the company aircraft. It turned out that if that non compulsory system was not functional for some reason, the aircraft became unairworthy and was not allowed to fly until repairs were effected.

It's BS, but it's the way it is.

Cheers (if that's the word)
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Follow Up By: OutBack Wanderers - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 21:41

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 21:41
TomH, if a person drives up the inside of you turning left with an oversize trailer and they hit you, they are in the wrong.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the driver of the towing vehicle is in the wrong.

I have with me a summons from the NRMA stating I was at fault for the vehicle who drove up the inside of my twin steer tautliner, it didn't matter that the two sets of rear indicators, one set on the top rear left were indicating a left turn, I was in the wrong, for not keeping a proper lookout, speeding? Just started my turn from a green light, 0 kph, and turning left from the outside lane

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Follow Up By: TomH - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:19

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:19
Isnt the NRMA an insurance company.
How can they issue a summons, thought the Police did that.
Are you going to fight it and were the no overtaking signs visible.
I didnt say an Oversize anything.
We have been discussing combinations of a greater length than 7.5 M.
Nothing about size other than that.
A line in VSB12
By having this sign attached to the rear of your vehicle, other following
vehicles must give way to you.
And for Shaker from the same page
REMEMBER
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Only use rear marking plates made with approved retroreflective material.
The front reflective surface of the plate must bear the name of the manufacturer or agent. In
addition, Class 2 marking plates must also be marked with the words “AS1906 Class 2” or “AS4001.2 Class 2”. “Class 1” plates also display letters indicating the correct orientation on the vehicle.
When buying plates, make sure that this information is provided on each of them. Plates without
this identification will not be accepted.
As said Enough Already. Bet the Op wishes he never asked LOL
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Reply By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:18

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:18
Where would you put the signs on this one: Now that's towing (HUH).

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Follow Up By: TomH - Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:30

Wednesday, Mar 09, 2016 at 22:30
Its very ingenious how they made it if you looked at that.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 07:16

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 07:16
Driving around Canberra yesterday; not one single truck, bus or van had the stricktly correct, labelled, colours etc signs on the them. Not one single vehicle had any lettering etc apart from the words "Don't overtake . . . etc. Even the Government buses only had a long straight sign right across the rear.

That's why I say don't bother with the minute detail. Just have the correct words and get one that will "hit you in the face". Then maybe they won't overtake you when turning.

Sometimes one in bright pink or some other reflective and bright high visibility colours may do a better job.

I bet half the current "correct" ones on vehicles of today, aren't seen at all because they have become common place and "part of the scenery".

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Follow Up By: TomH - Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:05

Thursday, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:05
Im not surprised you couldnt see the wording but on heavy vehicles it has to be there or they wouldnt pass inspection.
Here are some pics of legal ones
It is unwise to promote using no conforming stuff on open forums but then some still use banned appliances despite that being rather dodgy as well
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 04:37

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 04:37
I have now seen some. Gee I eel so safe.

Whether the sign is legal or not you would have to be a blod twit to overtake. About the only ones who would really worry about it are the insurance companies and any "I am always right" do gooders.

I knew I shouldn't have said anything.

CheersTm

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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:33

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:33
This probably sums it up best, Phil!!!

Wife took this just east of Dalby Qld a few years ago.



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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:11

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:11
Bob, I have passed a good few road trains on the suicide, guess you would have to on long straight wide dusty roads with a cross wind. I just let them know of my intentions and ask for there blessing.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:51

Friday, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:51
Yeah, have done that a few times too, Slow. Pretty scary heading into those dust clouds eh! Never know what might be lurking in there......

Couple of years ago, had just left Longreach, on way to the Barkly and caught up to a 6M oversize. Rear escort called up the driver and as I got closer he pulled over to the right, and I made my way past, in the "correct" lane. Was good thinking on his part, as he could gauge accurately how far he could move over, and I was able to overtake without opening up the curtains prematurely. :-)))

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Reply By: Member - greg p - Wednesday, Mar 16, 2016 at 22:47

Wednesday, Mar 16, 2016 at 22:47
try any of the truck places like truck line or cjd hope it helps

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