Nissan have stopped production of the Patrol

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Just reading Nissan have stop making the 3 ltr Patrol according to my4x4 and Toyota are killing off the 70 series in 5 years. and I think the defender is going too

With the Patrol what is in stock is all they have to sell


So what heavy duty vehicle can the guy on a basic wage buy now for that week end away with the family and what will gray haired nomads use for that big trip

But you can still buy 6cly Toyota landcruser wagons in some other country's but they say our pollution laws and safety laws have killed them . Should safety laws and pollution laws be the same world wide

Many of us just cannot afford 80k for a vehicle

Now I live in Broken Hill and we seem to get regular accidents where people are buy small cheap trucks and putting big vans on them and rolling the vehicles .

The police often say you should think of the type of van you want to tow and buy a vehicle suitable for that load to stop these accidents
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Reply By: TomH - Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 16:08

Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 16:08
Defender has gone already

$80K ???

Landcruiser Diesels GX $83k GXL $94k VX $105k Sahara $127k
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Reply By: Notso - Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 17:07

Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 17:07
Stand By for it!!!!

You could always buy a Jeep!
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Follow Up By: allein m - Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 17:18

Sunday, Apr 24, 2016 at 17:18
No jeep agent here in broken Hill

I have ready that the parts bill are expensive and some time a wait

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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 06:13

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 06:13
No Surprise about the Patrol I guess.

At the moment it looks like the 70 series and the 200 diesel will disappear form the Australian market in July 2018 when euro 6 comes in.

The 200 diesel disappeared from the European markets when euro 6 came in there late last year.

So unless Toyota can make the V8 euro 6 compliant, or put the 5l cummins motor in , it's goodnight nurse.

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Reply By: Malcom M - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 08:08

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 08:08
Think you'll find its only the GU thats gone. The current petrol waste of space will continue.
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Follow Up By: allein m - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:52

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:52
Yes I did know and forgot to say re the petrol one

There is a guy in town who has one and you when he is coming down the road there is a huge fuel truck following him so he does not run out of fuel .
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 13:39

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 13:39
Have a mate with the petrol which he bot as it was thousands cheaper than a diesel cruiser.
Even when fitted with long range tanks, it still does not have the range to cross the Simpson. Very thirsty truck.
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Reply By: Malcom M - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 08:12

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 08:12
I wonder if the VW (and I believe Mitsubishi) problem with faking emissions data will help wake up legislators that vehicles simply cannot meet the arbitrary standards that bureaucrats dream up.

Like it or not, the world cannot survive without pollution generation.
Are road train prime movers required to meet these regulations?
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 14:52

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 14:52
Yes they do have to meet the emission rules and they are far more efficient weight for weight than a single 4wd towing a caravan.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 15:24

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 15:24
What 9900Eagle said. Economy in heavy trucks is improving all the time, though the results wouldn't please many car/4wd owners.

Many prime movers are powered by a variety of different brands of engine, and the engine maker, Cummins, Detroit, Cat etc that can prove to have the best economy, with reliability is going to be the winner.

Volvo & Mack(owned by Volvo) are producing very economical engines, coupled to 12 speed auto g'boxes. These iDrive boxes can be set for Economy, Power or Heavy Duty(road train use) and seem to make good use of not much fuel. Few others points that I'd whinge about, but that's OT. :-)

Watched a Kenworth 909(with Cummins engine) take off up a slight rise near home, towing a BAB Quad, yesterday morning. From 150M away I couldn't see any evidence of exhaust smoke. Efficient combustion and all the many sensors working as they should.

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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 19:18

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 19:18
Bob, what you didn't notice was my Ranger attached with a stiff bar on the front of the 909, that's why it wasn't blowing anything out the sooters. :-)
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 07:51

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 07:51
If the truck engines meet emmision spece etc, I wonder why the 4x4 manufacturers don't get into bed with the Cummins and Volvos etc.
I read somewhere that Mitsubishi had been looking for a joint venture partner to develop a pajero replacement but no takers.
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 08:19

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 08:19
Colorado, Ranger, Mazda have done that and used Euro engines. I think it maybe Japanese pride that stops them or they aren't interested in the larger 4x4 market anymore.

Cummins had a lot of problems with there ISX erg engine but that has been all ironed out now. Cat have virtually given up and now focus on off road stuff that doesn't have to meet emission standards and Isuzu also had problems with an erg engine but again, they have fixed that. Paccar are another engine that are gaining a lot of popularity.

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:05

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:05
It is difficult allein and it looks like cars like the slightly smaller ford everest are taking over the wagon market , but they don't have enough to get me serious.

I think that there maybe hope in other developments.

One interesting thing is that buying overseas variants is becoming easier with the closure of aussie manufacturing.

For the Patrols many have been buying the the bigger V8 version in the $50's region and this is looking more economical , and perhaps a better car than the 200 series at least for non heavy towing applications with its $30k lesser purchase price. These deals are however drying up.

I have long felt that the GU's in petrol have been the best vehicle bar none for my own non-towing heavy duty 4wding.

So I brought the very last one (petrol) nearly 5 years ago and its now overdue for replacement - so what to do is a real issue for me.

When I brought my current one it was a close call with a 200 series and the $35,000 different purchase price meant the GU won.

Its good to review what I decided to do , and its proved to be a winner.

At the time there were horror stories about the future cost of petrol , but I went ahead anyway , and who would believe that the average cost of petrol would have actually gone down instead of thru the roof.

So we are cash rich , and car poor !

For now us GU lovers may just have to make their cars last a little longer !





















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Reply By: Blown4by - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:56

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:56
Makes you wonder what has gone wrong in Nissan HQ in the last decade losing market share to the Korean, Japanese, Yankie and European manufacturers. One prime example is the Maxima that didn't sell as it was overpriced and under-equipped but they continued with it for 'years' with minimal sales. Then they dropped the popular Pulsar renaming its replacement the Tiida. 'Der', another blunder. Then we come to the Patrol which is great vehicle but it hasn't changed much in 16 years. Whilst I agree with the premise: If it ain't broke don't fix it', they disenfranchised many owners by not offering a replacement engine for the TD42 and they have nothing viable to offer that will tow above 3000kg and even then it has to be a manual with its inherent disadvantages. Then their biggest disaster, they bring in the Y62, but only in V8 petrol form. What a joke. The base model pricing started at $92K which they now have to discount $30K approx. just to get them to move. Whilst many of us have been patiently waiting for a V6 diesel or similar to replace the ZD30 being the only engine available in the Y61, nothing has happened. Now we are advised the Y61 is to be discontinued with nothing comparable from Nissan to replace it. Not all of use want to drive a 'Ute'. Might as well keep my Y61 and re-power it with another make of diesel when the ZD30 dies. No comments from the ZD30 knockers required.
Meanwhile Nissan HQ is asleep at the wheel.
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 21:43

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 21:43
The right hand drive market is just to small for their r&d apparently.
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Reply By: Ron N - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 18:30

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 18:30
One of these should hit the spot for those who want a Nissan with Grunt!

310HP (231Kw) 5.0L Cummins V8 - 6 speed auto - and a towing capacity of around 5.5 tonnes!

I can see a few conversion crowds getting asked if they can start doing LHD to RHD conversions for this beast!

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I'm starting to think a lot of Japanese manufacturers have lost the plot when it comes to supplying what we want for 4WD's.

Piddly little Euro-sized engines producing vast amounts of HP, that get smaller every year - cheaper and cheaper construction, with increasing electronic complexity, at ever higher prices.

I grabbed the new Hilux door handles the other day, and I thought they were going to come off in my hand! The bumper feels like its attached by half a dozen plastic clips!

All in all, the 4WD's on offer today, are a far cry from the great offerings we had in the 1990's!

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 20:44

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 20:44
The Australian 4x4 market isn't big enough to sway the bean counters at the big car companies.

The petrol Nissan was targeted at the Saudi market where they want power and don't need long range fuel capacity or economy.

Even our mining market isn't enough to interest the company heads, plus that's shrinking a bit for now.

I'm keeping my 80 series until it falls apart or is made illegal. We're thinking of buying an ex army Isuzu maintenance truck after this old girl dies.
The Cruiser only has 560,000 kms on the dial at the moment with about a 20,000 km trip coming up this year. She should be good for a while.


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Reply By: Nutta - Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 21:44

Monday, Apr 25, 2016 at 21:44
You can still buy the 4.2td patrol in south africa too allein.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 08:36

Tuesday, Apr 26, 2016 at 08:36
Its amazing how many drivers I see with light weight 4x4,s ( Hilux , Prado, Tritons, Rangers and BT 50 and the like ) towing massive twin axle and single axle vans , and some with little experience in towing .
Overloading is a major concern on a lot of setups.
I bet its something the roads and traffic authorities will be soon looking more seriously .
The demise of the Nissan Patrol and Toyota Land cruisers ( if it happens ) will cause a few problems as there still isn't a reliable alternative .

Cheers
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