Am I supposed to be surprised?

Submitted: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:01
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With all the talk on here regarding GVM, GCM, ATM, TARE, MASS and whatever other acronyms I can think of, it was about time for me to pull my head out of the sand and check my weights. Why would I even think I had to? After all it is an old school LandCruiser that should be able to handle a few after market accessories....... Right?......Surely???????
I have 2 batteries, 2 empty fridges, full long range fuel tank plus sub ,empty water tank, 2 spare tyres/wheels, winch, bullbar, alloy roof rack, no passengers, outback drawer system with two drawers (one full of recovery gear and one empty), cargo barrier and whatever other stuff, odds and ends, cooking gear etc....
So basically the same sort of stuff that any outback traveller will have and I weighed in today at 3200kgs and the GVM states 3180kg.
By the time I add people, all the going away stuff in the back plus on the roof rack and water in the tanks this car will probably weigh over 4000kgs. If I put the caravan on the back there is another 300kgs of tow ball weight which adds to the GVM as well.
Looks like most 4x4s will be over their GVM without even really trying.
Food for thought.
OH, the photo of the weight is supposed to show 3.20T. I couldn't catch it well because the numbers were flickering with the camera.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:20

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:20
Everywhereman


Good on you for being brave enough to find out your true weight ( most haven't a clue )

I am in the same boat as you ,with a 75 series troopie with almost the same

amount of extras , my ones comes in at 3.3 ton fully loaded and ready to travel.

But I don't tow.

Couldn't imagine a Hilux , BT50 , Ranger and the like handling those type of weight ., but I see them all the time .

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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:10

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:10
Hi Mark,

I have a BT 50 and one major reason why is that the payload is about 400 kg greater than Patrol/Landcruiser/etc variants.

Been there done that in 4wd wagons and made the move after I cracked the chassis in one wagon. At that time I weighed in fully loaded at 3.8 t.

My BT 50 weighs 2730 kg devoid of water, food, camping gear, passengers etc. But it does include 2nd batt, full fuel tank, me, spares & tools, canopy, roofrack, etc.

I'm about to do a 6 day trip and will clock in at exactly the GVM of 3200kg GVM as we depart (I weighed it!)

Thank heavens the food/water/fuel load diminshes fairly quickly!
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Reply By: Baz - The Landy - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:32

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:32
In this day and age of insurance company due diligence and potential scrutiny following a claim, and police investigators looking for answers (prosecutions in the event of an accident), be careful what you admit to on a public forum.

Posts like this are there for all and sundry to review in the future and could be used to demonstrate that you knowingly exceed the stated limitations of the vehicle giving rise to an "intent" argument in a courtroom...

Not that ignorance is an excuse when it comes to matter of law, but equally, don’t provide evidence that may be used against you in the future…

Just saying – it happens!

Cheers, Baz – The Landy
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:45

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:45
I agree with you Baz, but the OP was careful not to provide either his name or any identifying details of his bus.

In any case, I'm sure he will now removing a number of the accessories from his bus, so that he will indeed be legal....just like the rest of us!!! hahaha (wink, wink)
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:48

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:48
True, but I wouldn't rely on an insurance company not being resourceful when they need to be!

And while on the topic…

There has been a trend overseas for insurance companies to review social media accounts of those who were burgled whilst on holiday.

The argument being advanced is that posting on social media advertising the fact that you are on holiday’s and away from your residence may give cause for the insurer to refuse a claim on the basis you did not take “reasonable care” in protecting your property by advertising you are away on holidays.

Haven’t heard of it happening here, but if it isn’t it will only be a matter of time, I guess.


Cheers, Baz – The Landy


Cheers, Baz
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Follow Up By: Danna - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:59

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 17:59
Hi The Landy
And don't forget finds and they huuuuuge - hundreds of $ and police do stop people.
Know couple of those ... one was stopped in QLD Outback on Barkley Hwy and the other in near Orroroo SA. Both payed $1700,~ but they couldn't travel any further. They both have to hired storage and later they send overweight bits by courier to Victoria. Definitely not funny.
That's why we upgraded our GVM on Troopy for the maximum.
Even when we would tow, we will not be over now.
Hooroo Dana
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Follow Up By: Danna - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:04

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:04
GVM upgrade cost around $1500,~ (if you don't have to change a thing). Find starts $1700,~ what would you go for?
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Reply By: Gundarooster - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:17

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:17
Guys,

I weighed my GU4 Patrol recently after buying a van and becoming aware this may be an issue. GVM is 3060KG's std, weighed in at 3,100Kg with just me and most of the 4WD extra's stripped out with no passengers.

Just had a GVM upgrade done and about to get the Enginnering Certification completed which I hope will get me to 3,500Kgs, just enough for the ball weight and my missus and a bit of stuff inthe fridge, but no water in the car or Auto gas for the deisel gas injection system.

Caravan GTM is the next problem, most vans are sold by manufacturers way under rated and like most 4WD are probably a minimum of 500Kgs over the rated capacity. Some rigs I've seen out on the highway would beat least 1,500kg over the rated GCM!

Patrolster
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Reply By: Member - Terry W4 - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:58

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:58
My Prado comes out of the factory at 1990 kgs. It has a GVW of 2990 kgs. I have done the normal stuff (drawers, fridge, bull bar, dual batteries etc. Weighed with a full tank a few months back weighed in at 2450 kgs. Tow ball weight of the Cub Supamatic fully loaded 135 kgs. = 2585 kgs. Add me my wife and daughter about 200 kgs plus fridge full and our gear say 100 kgs = 2885 kgs just get us under the limit.

Total rig limit is 5000 ks = so 2885 plus the trailer at about 1400 kgs = 4285 kgs.

Happy with that. Cub says it comes out of the factory at 950 kgs and 90 kg ball weight. Ignore that. I weighed it as 1200 kgs and ball weight loaded as 120 kgs but loaded for a trip it is 1400 kgs and ball weight of 135 kgs.

Should say the Prado pulls it very nicely.


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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:59

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 18:59
Dare I say it? Ah well what the heck. I bought a Jeep.

Anyhow I'm off on the maiden voyage later this week and I loaded it up with all me rubbish, err I mean good stuff. Anyhow it weighed in at 2.51 tonnes with me in it. So with the Van on behind weighing 2.2 Tonnes and ball weight of 180 Kilos I should be nice and legal.

But, I don't carry things like chain saws, boat motors, winches, Tinnies on the roof etc.
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Reply By: skulldug - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 20:26

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 20:26
Hi Been-everywhere,

Good on you for running it over a scale.

Vehicle, caravan and after-market accessory manufacturers understand the law but just don't want to give consumers appropriate advice.

Skull


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Reply By: Member - brucek - Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 23:21

Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 23:21
I lost a tax client once who bought himself a beautiful new black 'one tonne' diesel dual cab ute 4wd. Load capacity was just one ton. He then added and added and added, bull bar, towbar, rollover bar, and step plates.
He didn't like it when I told him it was no longer a "one tonne" ute, and was no longer eligible for those concessional tax rules. Those add-ons were not part of the load but fixed and were part of the vehicle.
NB Many "one tonne" utes do not comply with that tax law in the first place, esp diesel dual cab 4WD.
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Reply By: GarryR - Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 07:45

Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 07:45
I have done my homework and kept everything necessary to travel outback in case of emergency and be self sufficient. I put the hilux on the local weigh bridge and found to my amazement that I was 3050kgs all up wiht two people ready to rock and roll. That is still 200kg over weight. It is near impossible to keep under legal gmv. Even unloading the ute and placing some gear into the camper trailer when we tow it I am still be similar weight because to the tow ball weight of 120kg.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 16:11

Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 16:11
This weekend in Longreach a free yes FREE weigh in is being performed for any and all who are game enough , vehicle / caravan / camper trailer and combination of any and all ….. will be interesting to see the roadside ' must sell ' of items after the event…...
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 18:47

Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 18:47
It is awesome that the DMT will be showing people what they have, and what they should be doing to comply with their weights without penalty.

Great initiative by all concerned.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 19:48

Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 19:48
You do realise that a GMV ' upgrade ' Only applies Australia wide IF yes IF the upgrade was done BEFORE the first registration of a new vehicle ,,, any upgrade after FIRST registration is on;y 'good' for the state is was done after 1st registration , you can and will be in dire need of legal advise when you think otherwise...
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 20:12

Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 20:12
That doesn't stop you driving a vehicle with an upgrade in another state.

It just stops you re-registering it in another state - without having it recertified first.

If it is legal in the state of licensing, it is accepted in all other states if your transiting through.

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Follow Up By: Jackolux - Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 21:50

Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 21:50
Anthony is right ,
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Follow Up By: Danna - Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:37

Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:37
We have had legal advice from lawyer, about GVM upgrade by licensed
engineer, before we went for it.
The upgrade applies by reciprocity in all Australian states and territories.
Only when re-selling the vehicle, new owner must apply for re-checking
first engineer's certification and vehicle. Only then rego can be issued in
that particular state.
That make sense ..... does it .....
The restriction to GVM upgrade for only new vehicles or GVM upgrade after purchase being not legal in other states is is wildly spread myth.

Cheers Dana
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Friday, May 20, 2016 at 11:32

Friday, May 20, 2016 at 11:32
And another "yes" it is okay interstate if done post initial registration, ACD1 is spot on...

I researched diligently when I upgraded my vehicle's GVM.

You are required to comply with the registration requirements for the State in which the vehicle is registered in.

Cheers, Baz - The Landy
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Friday, May 20, 2016 at 11:47

Friday, May 20, 2016 at 11:47
And I might add, if it is a Federally approved kit (like Lovell's for example) having say my vehicle, which is registered in NSW, re-certified for registration in Victoria would be a matter of paperwork only.

No big deal really...

Cheers, Baz
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Reply By: Batt's - Monday, May 23, 2016 at 23:27

Monday, May 23, 2016 at 23:27
Maybe 6WD or lazy axle conversions will become more common in the future to keep vehicles within their legal limits for those who can afford the conversion costs.
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 16:46

Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 16:46
Something like this, Batt's?


I spoke with the owner. It cost him $22k.

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