New alcohol laws in the cape.

Submitted: Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 07:45
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Was talking to Dan at loyalty beach yesterday and he mentioned the new laws.
Only one carton of low or mid strenght beer and 2 litres of wine per truck.
That means no pre mixed or criuser type of drinks or bottles of rum etc.
At the bottle shop at Bamaga and Umagico same rules.
This goes for anywhere past the Jardine Ferry.
They will be doing spot checks and heavy fines will be issued.
Dan was telling me a fellow arived at the air port was inspected and had 6 bottles of red and got fined $1000 .

I think if you are leaving to head south and try and stock up you could be inspected on the way to the ferry .

All the best
Eric

www.capeyorkconnections.com.au
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Reply By: Jimbo - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 10:40

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 10:40
What a pathetic society we have become when we let government invade our lives to this degree, and do nothing.

Nonsense like this would bet met with civil disobedience in other countries, but we just let them keep bending us over.

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 14:20

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 14:20
Doesn't this new law have something to do with trying to alleviate the alcohol problem amongst Aborigine's?

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:07

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:07
Its to stop the the black fella gettin blind daily.. nothing else, its nothing about invading privacy.. Same as with the Avgas, thats to stop em sniffin the crap, avgas has no aroma, so they dont get wasted.

I say let em get smashed, get liver disease and die off naturally.. Its a cruel world, but you cant change mother nature, its not right.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:25

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:25
I expected a reply like that from you.
You do need help.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:27

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:27
So correct anything that I said wrong.

oops you cant eh
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:36

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:36
Just the last section of your reply.
God help the world if we all think like you.
Theres not much you like other than who knows what.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:44

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 16:44
You cant see any thing wrong with your last section of your reply then I think you are a very sick person indeed.

god help us.
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Follow Up By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:49

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:49
It was'nt the Gov it was the local people trying to help themselves & all you can do is post that c.r.a.p
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 18:48

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 18:48
Whilst I don't agree with Truckster, people trying to help themselves by interfering with someone else's rights hardly seems fair.

Why do I need to have restrictions placed on me, when I am able to restrict myself to proper and reasonable behaviour. That someone else cannot is not my fault.

Whilst alcohol abuse is prevalent amongst certain groups, please find a real solution rather than a band aid approach. Governments have been throwing money and improper "solutions" at this problem for years. My enjoying a few cold cans and a bottle of red over dinner will not change anything; equally stopping me doing so will have no effect either.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:39

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:39
ACtually Bob its the councils up there, not the people.. you think they want nobody selling them p|$$?? LMAO
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Follow Up By: Michael - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:07

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:07
I agree Jimbo, i'm a fairly pasive guy , BUT this kind if thing incites the worst in me.... where do they get off??
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Follow Up By: Slammin - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:46

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:46
Good on ya Eric I'm sick of this type of statement of Tricksters being unchallenged or simply wiped off the forum, with no apologies or explanation.

I've been sucked into posting on yet another of these ridiculous "pot stirrer" threads but anyway here goes my $0.02 rounded down to $0.00.

1st up this is aboriginal land and they have the legal right to implement what they wish. I find this particular requirement irritating as well but their are idiots who can't help themselves.

Jimbo and Michael et al, the rules are in place not only to stop some aboriginal idiots from getting intoxicated but to also restrict some visiting idiots who load up their vehicles with grog to sell to aboriginals at exorbitant prices to beat the restrictions put in place and thus funding their holiday or worse still providing a regular, neat and easy source of income.

No prohibition is not an ideal form of problem solving but it does help in the short term to allow other solutions to be put in place.

We are legally visitors wether you like it or not, understand it or not. As usual you do have a choice.

Civil disobedience over a bit of grog .............WTF...............?
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 09:40

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 09:40
So it's about stopping sly grog traders. I agree they should be dealt with harshly. Sort of like druggies, those caught with small amounts for personal use are left alone, the dealers get 10 years breaking big rocks into little ones.

Is anyone suggesting the bloke with six bottles of red was up there as a "dealer". I am prepared to bet he was going to be there for six nights and was looking forward to sharing a bottle over dinner each night with the GLW.

This solution simply penalises the wrong people and will not cure the real problem.

And it invades the rights of decent law abiding citizens.

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:21

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:21
Ya got it in 1 Jimbo... Glad someone has open eyes.
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:13

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:13
This sort of action gets right up my nose... its so easy to blame the victims... & compensate them with better " welfare" Perhaps its we non indigenous types that needs the help....But Governments will always take the easiest course... they dont like making " courageous" decisions...
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Follow Up By: Slammin - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:10

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:10
Just wondering what the courageous decison/s might be?

You've got me guessing.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:43

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 17:43
Another reason to stay away from Planet Queensland
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:38

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 19:38
Bingo!
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 07:25

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 07:25
truckster thats made my day thank you
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:13

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 21:13
Dont worry eric, Id rather go to Iraq with an american flag wrapped around me.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 06:16

Monday, May 31, 2004 at 06:16
I have a one way ticket booked and two flags im comming down to melbourne to personly help you onto the american air lines plane.
LOL.
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Reply By: Michael - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:05

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:05
It's none of anybody's FRIGGIN" business, how much alcohol you carry, different story if you are over the limit.. Where do they get off????
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Reply By: Magnus 2 - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:06

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:06
I was married 30 plus years ago in a dry Town within a dry County. Cordial at the wedding.

The place was dry for black and white. Had to drive across the county line to buy alcohol.

It is in North Carolina and is stil dry. Town of 30,000 or so.

You don't have live in Nth Qld to find alcohol prohibition or restrictions.

If I remember rightly 30 years ago Victoria still had the great 6 o'clock swill. Couldn't trust all those good citizens with their grog after 6 pm. They might cause affront to other god fearing citizens on the way home in the tram. They might even get drunk if the grog wasn't turned off at 6 pm.

Very civilised it was, the old 6 o'clock swill.

So, we still have prohibition in parts of the USA, most of the Middle East and parts of Qld.

Interesting isn't it.

Magnus

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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:08

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:08
It's sad, but it's true, that governments inflict us with rules that do not suit the people.

My father still talks about the 6 o'clock swill. Half a dozen blokes would form a "school" and quaff as many beers they could between 5.30 and 5 to 6 and then buy a few more rounds at 5 to 6 and stack them on the shelf. They would then then skoll the the warmies on the shelf at 6.15 when they were thrown out, and catch the train home. It was an institution. The odd chuck was far from uncommon.

The simple fact is that if you make something illegal people will want to do it (within reason). Prohibition in the US failed around 70 years ago and we are trying it again, albeit in restricted areas, in Australia.

Problem solving is about finding about why people do things, not taking away the things that they do.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Magnus - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:14

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:14
Jim,

Absolutely spot on!

Magnus
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:19

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:19
It's sad, but it's true, that governments inflict us with rules that do not suit the people.

My father still talks about the 6 o'clock swill. Half a dozen blokes would form a "school" and quaff as many beers they could between 5.30 and 5 to 6 and then buy a few more rounds at 5 to 6 and stack them on the shelf. They would then then skoll the the warmies on the shelf at 6.15 when they were thrown out, and catch the train home. It was an institution. The odd chuck was far from uncommon.

The simple fact is that if you make something illegal people will want to do it (within reason). Prohibition in the US failed around 70 years ago and we are trying it again, albeit in restricted areas, in Australia.

Problem solving is about finding about why people do things, not taking away the things that they do.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Slammin - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:06

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:06
I think you are both right on the mark but would have to add that sometimes prohibition has to be implemented so that providing solutions/alternatives to be put in place.

For example, why do people drink, one reason is because there isn't much else to do. So there isn't much point in putting in place vocational training etc if people are toobleepto get involved.

Another reason I have seen for prohibition is that the community doesn't want to even see grog. Think about a recovering alchoholic seeing affluent tourists driving around with a couple of cases and bladders of grog at the back window.

Bit like putting a diabetic in a lolly shop.
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Reply By: Member - Meggs - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:40

Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 22:40
Have a look at this link and see if it answers your questions.

http://www.mcmc.qld.gov.au/about/faqs.php#restricted
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Reply By: Pauley - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 00:33

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 00:33
There is one thing to put fear into any 4wdriver in the Gulf or the Cape & that is if you get caught with an oversupply of booze on board your lovely 4wd can be confiscated.
Paul
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 07:32

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 07:32
Please note you can buy a new carton each day if you must but dont get caught with more than one in your possesion.

For all those who dont like laws take a look at what you do each day laws for every thing even for truckster I think.
But he would thumb his nose at them all.

I think you must look at the bigger situation and not that you cant carry what you like.
Booze is a problem in more places than just the cape many communitys black and white.

Even at your local drinking hole there are laws on how much you can drink to drunk no service.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: GOB & denny vic member - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 19:25

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 19:25
i am sorry eric but alot of what you say is true but theres alot of b/s involved when in your last statement you said you can buy a new carton everyday and thats what they want you to do at their overinflated bloody prices its only half about keepinfg the indigenous sober the other half is profit driven like any other land council owned areas so its easier to stay away and not drive ther profit any more

steve
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 06:27

Monday, May 31, 2004 at 06:27
As you said they are over inflated but they have come from Cairns by barge.
In the long run by the time you have draged up say 4 cartons of booze lost 10% broken its about the same cost as per what you bought at say wepia or cairns.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: brian - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 20:34

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 20:34
Eric how much is a case of beer there please ???
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 06:30

Monday, May 31, 2004 at 06:30
Around the $50 mark.
That was last year.
Wepia is about $40

All the best
Eric
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