please help air filter sucked into inlet

Submitted: Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 10:26
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Morning all i need some help/advice i have a 95 4runner diesel fitted with a snorkel after a recent warranty issue being fixed the car yard also cleaned my air filter after driving it home i noticed a big loss of power, after further inspection ive noticed the little pre filter fitted at the bottom of the snorkel (looks like a little sponge) was missing after speaking to the car yard they have told me that they placed this in the wrong spot inside of the barrel filter instead of at the bottom of the snorkel behind the protective cover hense it has been sucked into the mottor!!! (never again will they touch my car, however me killing them is another issue) after taking off the inlet pipe and looking into the instake manifold ive noticed the filter must have been sucked into the motor as there is burnt residue of the filter, is this very bad???(im assuming so) will this block my injectors and or have any other major ramafications??? is it safe to start and let all the residue burn through then change oil etc, any help would be much appreciated!!!

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Reply By: Member - Ken - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 11:14

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 11:14
Morning DaLux

To say I am 'bleepand amazed' would be the understatement of the year.

This is the second time in two days on this forum that I am at a total loss for an appropriate response.

Just sorry I can't offer any other solution than visiting the car yard person/s on a dark night with steel star picket/


Ken Robinson
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Follow Up By: DaLUX - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 11:23

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 11:23
i totally understand it is a tough one, i am sharpening that star picket on the grinder as we speak, thanks for your support..
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Reply By: dingdong - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:28

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:28
Assuming it is naturally aspirated remove intake manifold & remove any pieces that may have become caught they would have to be jolly small to go in to motor via an inlet valve .If turboed remove inlet pipe from turbo look inside at turbine fins to see any damage . If so take to turbo specialist.
Cheers dingdong
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Follow Up By: DaLUX - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:58

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:58
removed intake manifold and inspected no big pecies of filter left infact nothing in there besides sludge not game to start the thing up just incase going to get it toed to specialist get work done then charge it back to original dealer. not a happy camper though thanks for your help
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Reply By: Member The J - Man (Cairns) - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:35

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:35
G'day DaLUX,

Mate if it happened to me, I would take the truck to a reputable diesel mechanic for an inspection and report. I would then have any work / repairs resulting from the "FILTER MISSLOCATION" carried out by the reputable mechanic and have that charged to the other mob. They have already admitted that it was an error on their behalf - ergo, they are liable.

What ever you decide, I hope it works out for you.

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:42

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 14:42
TAKE IT BACK TO THEM FAST! along with a letter to the small claims tribunal for their records. Take heaps of photo's and keep them too.
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Reply By: Billowaggi - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 15:51

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 15:51
Hi DaLUX My thought is that the foam filter would have gone through the motor without doing to much harm, more of a worry would be any dust or grit that was in the filter this would have been deposited in your motor and will cause premature wear. Does it start up and run clean and smooth without blowing smoke? if so, no immediate harm has been done. I would certainly get a written report from an independent diesel mechanic and make a claim on the car yard.
Regards Ken.
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Follow Up By: DaLUX - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 17:57

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 17:57
Billowaggi i have not had the balls to start it up,i took off the inlet manifold and the only remenence of filter i found was a sludge like burnt grease, so im guessing if there is any filter left it is sitting in one of the cylinders so not to confordent on starting it, will leave this one to the pro' spewing i didnt check the filter on intial purchase.
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Reply By: Mrs Diamond - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 18:33

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 18:33
put the car back together like nothing has happened.
phone the yard in the morning telling them the car ran funny after you picked it half way home and pulled a mate to tow you home.
your to scared to start it now can they get someone to come over and have a look.
you should never do anything with getting there permision first or you will have no recall.if they cant go over ask if you can organise some one.if they say yes go to there place get an order writen out.that way its in there books and you will have a copy.organise the best you can find get compression test done as well.just in case it has slightly bent a valve or something.or the dust ect has worn the rings a little.if its sucked a whole filter in that cant be good.if they say no make sure you write down who you were talking to the time date ect and phone some one vacc.and find out what you can do.just be carefull driving it because if it does go kaboom shortly and you go back saying its been running bad since the air filter bit you put in wrong went missing.
(car yard)well did you call us and try to sort something out.
(you)no i didnt because i had thebleeps with you because of what you done.
(car yard)stiff bl..dybleepe mate go away
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Reply By: Pauley - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 23:26

Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 23:26
If I had made the stuff up myself & had no recourse for compensation I'd take the risk & take the vehicle for a long run as foam rubber should be almost completely combustible. There is no way I could see it could get into the injectors particlarly with the pressures involved. The biggest worry I would have is that, would the sponge material coupled with the fuel exceed the maximum volume when a piston is at top dead centre & wreck the motor? Though I'd reckon 10 minutes running would answer that question. I couldn't see how something as viscous as melted sponge could burn out valves.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, May 31, 2004 at 08:33

Monday, May 31, 2004 at 08:33
The problems you will come accross will be ring and valve associated.
If the valve is unable to seat on the head, you loose compression and it overheats being unable to dump temperature into the cooling system via its seat.
If the filter has burnt away as it has entered a cylinder, most will have gone out the exhaust, but it could also have got stuck in the rings.
The grease you talk about in the inlet is normal for a diesel, it is not remnants, but old fume residues from the tappet cover.
Get it back together, and take it to a diesel shop for their advice. Ring the mechanic armed with that advice, and ask them what they are prepared to do to fix this loss in power. I would suggest at a minimum. the head should come off for a looky see.
Good luck
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Reply By: DaLUX - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 09:38

Monday, May 31, 2004 at 09:38
thanks for all your help guys ripped off head and manifold yesterday looked ok, put it all back together filled it with diesel and some injector treatment and started driving 250 k's later it seems to be back at 100% bit smoky for a while but better now will drop oil and complete full service, get the old oil tested in the lab then get some commpression tests done feeling alot better now however still organising how i can go about killing the car yard, anyone got a match???
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