Fuel Consumption 200 Series Diesel V8

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:13
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Mate with the above vehicle tows a Jayco full caravan with a gross 2.5 tonne weight. Currently getting 7 KM to the litre and thinks he should be doing better. Drives at around 95 KMH. Always has regular services, is not hard on the pedal and a careful driver.

Interested in others experiences and comparisons please.

Jeff
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Reply By: Malcom M - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:16

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:16
off road or black top?
Mate towed a camper trailer around the corner country with a petrol 200, used about 27l / 100Km. you should better that by a long way.
You are doing around 14.3L/100 which is normal.
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Follow Up By: mildew - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:22

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:22
Thanks for the quick reply Malcolm. He does black top only doesn't have an off roader. vehicle is only a couple of years old and seems to run well.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:48

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:48
Why does he think this is excessive? it is a V8...
City driving is not kind to economy and hes towing. I think he's doing fine.
Have a look at the Ozzie Landcruiser forums at lcool.org. Plenty of economy figures there.
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Reply By: Peter W - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 13:32

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 13:32
He is doing well.
Have had my LX200 GXL V8 for 7.5 years now and have kept detail of every fuel fill.
We tow mainly on the bitumen a 3.3t van and before that a 2.8t full van in all conditions and manage on average 23ltr per 100kms or 4.34km per litre.
The tug is modified with a snorkle, ARB full bull bar and rear drawers after take out of back seats.
Like your friend my driving speed is around 95/100km per hour
and 192,000kms on the clock with every 10,000km service attended.

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Follow Up By: 08crd - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:23

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:23
My god, some honesty at last, cheers mate.
Some of the silly fuel consumption figures given, make me choke on my weeties.

All vehicles will consume about 33% to 50% more fuel towing, depending on the weight and aerodynamics of the load.

Simple physics, I crack up when I read " I tow a 2.5 ton van behind my XXX dual cab and get 10l/100km", they obviously need their head read.lol
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Reply By: garrycol - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 14:40

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 14:40
The 200 series V8 diesel is a bit of a diesel guzzler - if your mate is getting 7km to the litre or using the correct fuel consumption terminology of about 14.2l/100km then he is doing exceptionally well. Most 200 series towing that weight would be getting 18 - 20 l/100km.

His driving technique is paying off at the fuel filler.
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Follow Up By: Member - Laurie K (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:34

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:34
A bit off topic, but why is l/100kms considered the "correct fuel consumption terminology"?
I never seem to have worked in glns/100 miles in the past.
If I am in a situation where I know that I am getting light on fuel, and have 153 kms to go, if I know that I am getting 6 kms/ltr, then I know that 153 divided by 6 is the amount of fuel I need. I always fill my tank by the litre, not by the 100kms. Seems like a system only the Europeans would devise .... or the Greenies trying to prick our conscience about how much fuel we are using, rather than do we have enough to get there?
Also, when I fill my tank, the kms done divided by the litres used is a simple calculation ... It seems to me that to convert it to l/100kms is another un-necessary calculation.

Yes I know I'm weird, but I'm happy ....... I think :-)

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Laurie
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 20:35

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 20:35
what a silly argument
If you know how much fuel you have you can work out how far you can go BEFORE you have gone to far
If you know how far you have to go but Dont know how much fuel you have, your probably screwed sooner or later
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Follow Up By: Member - Laurie K (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 21:04

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 21:04
You obviously didn't read what my question was about ... that being a question to garrycol regarding his statement - the question being why is l/100kms considered the "correct fuel consumption terminology"?

Of course "If you know how much fuel you have you can work out how far you can go BEFORE you have gone to far
If you know how far you have to go but Dont know how much fuel you have, your probably screwed sooner or later".

It's the METHOD of calculation that I'm talking about.

The examples used were to support my argument ...

Let me give you another example - I'm at Balladonia, I have a near empty tank ... I know that fuel is expensive at Balladonia, and considerably cheaper at Norseman ..... so rather than fill up at Balladonia, I calculate how much fuel I need to get to Norseman by dividing the distance by my known consumption e.g. 6 k/ltr and that's what I purchase. It's a hell of a lot easier IMO than trying to compute litres per 100 kms.

Do you use l/100kms or k/ltr?

:-)

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 21:58

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 21:58
l/100km is the Australian Official Standard for measuring fuel consumption - yes it may seem odd to some but that is the way it is. Most people think in l/100km these days but a few odd balls may think differently -:)

See 5.2.3

And fuel consumption labels on new cars
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Follow Up By: Member - Laurie K (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:10

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:10
Thanks Garrycol. I'm obviously Odd Ball, and I'm quite happy to stay that way. Reading the standard, I can appreciate that it was written by Greenies.

"The label is designed to help Australian motorists make informed choices about the environmental impact of their new car and the cost of running their vehicle. Raising awareness about the relative greenhouse impacts of different technologies and fuel types, and encouraging consumers to purchase vehicles with better fuel economy, can help reduce Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions."

It really all boils down to the same thing ... more distance on less fuel ......... or more kms per litre ............ :-)
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:30

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:30
I don't mind being an OB either, Laurie. Work out fuel economy in both km/L, L/100 AND mpg. Always happy with figures above 7km/L in my Landcruiser, but it doesn't mean "jack" unless it's converted back to mpg.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:39

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:39
Litres/100k's
In your example, quicker to work out in ya head
Its 175km to Ekatahuna, round it to 200km, 18/100km makes 36 litres I need.
You could also calculate 1.75 times 18L = 31.5 Litres but as an owner of a 200 series I reckon if your that tight on how much fuel you put in it then better to buy a Great Wall and have plenty of fuel money left!
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Follow Up By: Member - Laurie K (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:04

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:04
Yep, 175 divide by 6 = 30 litres roughly. chuck a couple of extra in and done.
I used to do that as well Bob, but I managed to get over that. Just never could see the sense in the "proper" way of doing it these days ... LOL

OK, having hijacked the thread, sorry guys. Incidentally, I have a 1999 100 series 4.2L TD and a 24' van, and depending on how hard I'm going (usually 80-90) I get between 4.5 to 5.3 kms per litre.
And it's done 500,000 kms.

cheers
Laurie
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Follow Up By: eaglefree - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:06

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:06
I'm grumpy. This is off topic. L/100 or whatever is away from the question. Please start your own thread.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:27

Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:27
I suppose you guys still talk in pounds, shillings and pence.

The standard has nothing to do with Greenies - the need to put labels on new cars is to do with making informed choices when you go to buy a new car.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, Jul 15, 2016 at 00:08

Friday, Jul 15, 2016 at 00:08
Best not buy a VW then Garrycol!
Its become fairly obvious that many of the manufacturers have "massaged" the figures one way or another and they are not checked by authorities
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Jul 15, 2016 at 18:52

Friday, Jul 15, 2016 at 18:52
Huh??

The VW issue relates to fudging emissions not fuel comsumption.

You are trying to shoot the messenger - if you don't like the fact that our standard is l/100km take it up with the authorities.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, Jul 15, 2016 at 19:24

Friday, Jul 15, 2016 at 19:24
your off with the fairies Garry.
Im happy with L/100km
Emissions relates directly to how much fuel is burnt at various loads.
Where do you think the emissions go if not out the exhaust pipe?
Nobody in authority vets the figures put up by manufacturers and many more beside VW are caught up in this also.

"The furore was reignited on Friday after “real world” tests commissioned by the Government found manufacturers were deliberately reducing emissions controls on their engines when it is cold to reduce damage to them.

It showed that all of Britain’s most popular diesel cars exceeded legal limits – with toxic emissions up to 14 times higher than claimed."
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Reply By: carl h2 - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 16:54

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 16:54
his doing really well just been to the Kimberley via the tanami rd in a hilux pulling a cub brumby and was getting 7 KM to the liter. 2012 hilux 40,000km all up loaded around 3.1 tonnes.
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Reply By: 2517. - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:05

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:05
I don't get much more driving around town.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:17

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:17
Bit OT, but I don't have a 200, but a 79 series single cab ute.

Just checked the figures, 6.1km/L(16.3L/100) and we don't tow.........yet.

Feel he's doing very, very well, Jeff. :-)

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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 19:41

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 19:41
Bob it is not a 909 and you have to get your foot out of it. LOL. He is doing very,very,very, very well with those figures.
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Reply By: mildew - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:42

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 18:42
Thanks I'll pass this info along
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Reply By: DaveO*ST-R - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 20:46

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 20:46
7 km/l or (14.28 l/100km) towing a 2.5t full size van with the LC200 TTD is what I would call exceptional. I don't think I have heard of that type of consumption ever when towing a full size heavy van. Is that consumtion calculated off the trip computer or filling "brim to brim"? If it is accurate, then your mate has absolutely zero to be concerned about. Tell him to have a look at the LCOOL forum where there is plenty of discussion on fuel consumption.

My full size van is 2.5t gross and the best I have ever achieved is 17l/100km, sitting on 95-100. Usually, I get around 18-20 as stated previously, sometimes higher, depending on terrain, speed and weather. There are a lot of other variables to take into consideration as well. My LC200 TTD is on the wrong side of 3.0t with bull bar, side rails, rear drawer system, 3rd battery, fridge, roof basket etc etc. The extra weight and aerodynamics can have a considerable impact on the fuel consumption, but it is what it is. Other than that, the LC200 is the perfect towing vehicle and well worth any extra fuel used.
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Follow Up By: 08crd - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:27

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:27
Great answer,IMO, no vehicle I've ever towed with has consistently returned better than 17l/100km towing a 2.5 ton van.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:54

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 22:54
My 200 gets 17 l/hk towing a "huge" 1.4T offroad van, and although I stick roughly to 110 k/ph, there is no way 14's would be achievable, so I agree, those figures are "exceptional" !!!

I've lost approx 2 l/hk compared to the previous Challenger, but for sheer comfort and power I'm certainly not complaining !!
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Reply By: eaglefree - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:13

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:13
Just to give people a guide to how low consumption can be.
Our Hyundai i30 crdi 1600 manual towing our 450 tare 650 kg loaded 11ft homebuilt full van achieves 8.8- 10.2 L/100 km at 100 kph the variation is tailwind or head wind, 5th gear 2300 rpm
So 4wd diesel owners claiming 11 or 12 L/100 kms towing 2ton vans ....nope. IMO
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Reply By: mildew - Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:24

Wednesday, Jul 13, 2016 at 23:24
I have a confession to make. I should have said 5 km/l (20L/100km) not 7. Was thinking of driving without the caravan. He said best he has achieved is 5.3 km/l with the van on.

Sorry about that.

Any other comments would be appreciated but I have registered at lcool and will ask the question there.
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Follow Up By: eaglefree - Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 at 01:11

Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 at 01:11
Well, it made for an interesting thread haha!

I can picture 10 old fellas rising early tomorrow wanting to read the next comment only to find your admission.

I'm finding it all amusing and thanks for being honest.

Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b - Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 at 07:25

Thursday, Jul 14, 2016 at 07:25
Make that one more fella ...... hahaha !!

I'm amazed how some little changes to vehicles can make so much of a difference to fuel consumption .
We have v8 petrol L/C and after up sizing tyres & steel bullbar has made a big difference < 17 l/100 would be good for us towing camper .

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