Fraser Island - the "novices" are still doing it wrong

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 08:59
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We were there a week back and people will not learn:

One low clearance Jeep bottomed out on the track out of Kingfishers Resort and help everyone up. A bit peeved off as he was adamant that he would use his own winch on his 4WD ( according to the salesman!!!). Held up about ten cars for ages as it was the only way to the rest of the island. The place was crowded as well.

According to rumours there were three cars lost to the tide on one night. Methinks rumour. But the tide was full at midday, or thereabouts, catching the "visitors to 4WD" off guard. Supposed to be the night of the 8th but I haven't seen any reports. But believable from what we saw.

We drove about every track below the Valley of the Giants. Didn't quite make it to the valley or anywhere north of the vthere, as we didn't have any spare time. All easy to drive but you really need the high clearance for the rutted tracks. Not a lot of them and they were working on them as we left.

Phil
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:48

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:48
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Ah Phil, it's always fun over there. No trouble in the Troopy though.

My first visit to Fraser was in 1984 in a little Subaru pulling a camper trailer. But I guess the wheel ruts were not so deep then.

Roz's first trip was with her bushwalking group in the late 60's. No vehicles on the island then. They were transported over by a fisherman and picked up a week later. Did not see another soul the whole time. Boy, have things changed now. But yes, always fun one way or another.

I'm close to Fraser Coast news but have not heard of a vehicle loss since this one last year but I may have missed some. Actually, there are many more losses on Rainbow Beach, a little south of Fraser Island. At one stage, the local pub had a tally board in the bar titled "Vehicles Lost This week".
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:23

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:23
It may well have been an exaggeration. But they are still driving in the waves a bit and it's so easy to get stuck when you do that. But the jeep with low clearance and six passengers wasn't. Twits! Okay; I know all jeep drivers are just as normal as we all are. Or are we!!!!

Our Hervey Bay fishing charter was cancelled. Strong winds and rain. As soon as we crossed the border (went up via Kyogle and the Lion Rd past the border loop) it clouded over and started raining that day. What happened to the old saying . . . . . .

Hope to get back to see the rest of the island's inland features. The beach didn't thrill us as had been doing that since the early 60's. We will try a bit of beach fishing next time

That ice cream place in Hervey Bay was excellent. I think that it was you who told me about it. Thanks.

Phil

Edit: Ooops it was BobY who told me.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:28

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:28
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Ice cream's excellent anywhere Phil.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:41

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:41
Not true. I prefer the english one based cream. Not a real fan of the european gelato, ice based one. But that's just me I prefer the bangers and mash that my grand mother and Mum made not the "traditional" bngers and mash that I had at a remote well known pub once.

That'l start a blue - I betchya.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 14:26

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 14:26
The best icecream I've found lately was in Broome. That was from the icecream shop in Carnarvon St (the main drag) - it's called the Ice Creamery - and they also have an icecream van at the town markets, and the Courthouse markets.
They charge like wounded bulls, but the icecream is superb - beats anything I've tasted anywhere.

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 14:41

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 14:41
Must be the same franchise as the shop in Hervey Bay that Bob-y sent us to.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 15:08

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 15:08
The Broome mob are not a franchise, Phil. Good way to ruin a product - franchise it.
Older lady seems to run the show there, and she's been doing it for many years, and I'll wager her icecream recipe isn't known to anyone else, but her.

I think her secret is all pure, very basic ingredients. A lot of commercial icecreams contain a lot of rubbish - fillers, gums, chemical-based flavourings and colourings, that wreck your sleep patterns and which can give you rashes.
My missus is particularly sensitive to chemicals in food, flavourings and colourings - which the manufacturers often claim to be "natural", but they are unnecessary additives, regardless.

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 17:24

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 17:24
You can blame Margaret Thatcher for a lot of the rubbish icecream you find around the world :( .
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 17:30

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 17:30
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Boy, we sure can wander far and wide ..............

We start with a bogged Jeep and arrive at Margy Thatcher being blamed for the demise of ice cream as we know it!
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 18:40

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 18:40
And a good little trip it was. Well, back back work.
Wiring a new charger into caravan. Bit cramped.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 20:34

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 20:34
Well it suited the weather in Hervey Bay. Bloody cold and blowing a gale with rain to boot.

Good on you Allan. Always keeping me in line.

Phil
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Reply By: garrycol - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:54

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:54
Yes - unfortunately Novices do make mistakes - do tell.

As do experienced 4wders.
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Reply By: Member Kerry W (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 13:50

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 13:50
Yes I agree vk1dx

But it seems to be Human Nature really. The need for adventure will always draw the inexperienced into mis-adventure, unfortunately its how people learn.

These days people can't learn on the farm or on the bush track out the back of home - they learn where everybody else goes and usually at a later stage in life.

Trouble is - the older "kids" get when they make their first mistakes the more damage they can do and the more trouble they can get into. Wether it be 10 year old "cotton wool" kids wacking a mate over the head with a stick because they never learnt as a toddler that being whacked with a stick can "really" hurt, or a 40 year old "kid" who just say.. "bought a Jeep" and drowns it because he never learnt as a 17 year old what driving in soft sand does to a vehicles capabilities and momentum.

Not to mention the unrealistic advertising (or in the case of young kids - violence) that gets spread on the media and into peoples heads.

My point is that these days there are not many stress free places where kids (and people) can go have an adventure and learn and make mistakes where they don't harm or affect other people.



By the time they get all the way to Fraser it can get real!
Kerry W (Qld)
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 14:40

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 14:40
How can one respond to your post. You are correct and it may get worse with the next generation "locked" to their iphones etc, playing games. Even if they would be told "it hurts" they won't know what it means as their "user" just gets up again. Well they won't "get up again" from being bitten by a croc after flooding the motor on the crossing.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:55

Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:55
Reminds me of a favourite quote of mine...

"Good judgement comes from experience and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"...

Cheers, Baz - The Landy
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Reply By: craigandej - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 17:00

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 17:00


This would be the rumours you heard.
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Follow Up By: mike39 - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 19:11

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 19:11
Must have been driving all night and got lost...............still got his lights on.
Point taken about the learning curve, bush driving for 65 years and still coming to grips with the unforeseen situation
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 20:41

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 20:41
I have been known in recent years to be a little too confident. Luckily not one of you blokes know about it, just my wife and she isn't telling.

It also looks like someone has an arm out a window. Although, I doubt it. We had to use the bypass around the rocks. Most people di but there were tracks heading for the rocks.

A lot of cars had lights on at all times.

Phil
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Reply By: Paul E6 - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 22:30

Tuesday, Aug 16, 2016 at 22:30
All this thread needs is russel coight to chime in.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:14

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:14
Now that would be educational.

Phil
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Reply By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 06:41

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 06:41
Just think for a moment how much of a privilege it is to have the freedom to make mistakes.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:11

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:11
Thanks Freud!! Too true.

Bet you have heard that before.

Phil
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:05

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:05
Really amazing the amount of members on this forum who were NEVER novices when driving a 4x4 , poor didums got held up by a bogged vehicle , how sad that 'people will not learn' , whilst in actual fact the Novice is on a learning experience….damn it !! Missed out on my IceCream .
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:04

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:04
Quite true in some cases,

The difference is that in the "old days" before "attitude" was the norm among learners, we would have welcomed the help and advice. This bloke was quite the opposite, with a curt "No" and that was it, to the question "can we help".

Sensible looking group and extremely well dressed for Elizabeth Street. Ah well.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 17:23

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 17:23
So now you are judging them by their clothing, maybe your offer of help came across as condescending?


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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 17:32

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 17:32
Don't be silly. The clothing report was to show hwo ill prepared they were for climbing under the car and going into the thick undergrowth to do a recovery.

I never go to speak to them!!!!!

You are really stretching the friendship a bit Shaker.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 22:36

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 22:36
Funny thing is, on the few occasions that I have found myself stuck or in trouble, it has always been when I have least expected it. Also the only time that I let a stranger help me, my vehicle got damaged due to their actions.
BTW, my comment wasn't meant to offend, I just thought their clothing should have been irrelevant.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:40

Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:40
Ahh yes, well dressed for Elizabeth St , could it not be that the overly dressed were on their way to a beach side wedding , extremely condescending judging preparedness by the clothes ones wearing , like the time many years ago when Lindsay Fox walked into a truck dealership wearing a tattered and torn pair of jeans all dirty and scruffy looking and told the salesman he wanted to order 20 new semis , was told by the salesman "you could not pay for a tire let alone a semi, go away ". The very next day Mr Fox bought the truck dealership ,now without condescending salesmen.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:58

Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:58
What's with you lot. Trying to have a blue or to have a go at me. Get off it. They were not skilled and their mannerisms and clothes showed so!! That's all. Why do people always want to have a blue. Must be old age.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 17:11

Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 17:11
Could it be that you are the one with 'attitude' with your assumptions about peoples clothing or assuming that just because they were stuck they had to be novices but then again you of course are an 'expert' and have never been stuck .
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 17:42

Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 17:42
No attitude here. I am just annoyed at people who like to argue about something quite irrelevant to the topic.

A total waste of time and air.

The driver was unskilled and that's it, He wasn't even going to use a tree protector until someone quickly butted in and showed him. Well done to that bloke. Didn't even have gloves.

Phil
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Reply By: Ron N - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:41

Wednesday, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:41
I think this quote pretty much sums it all up ....

Brainy quotes - Judgement

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:58

Thursday, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:58
Hey Ron,

Great minds think alike, that has always been a favourite quote of mine...I live it every day (both the good and bad!)...

Cheers, Baz
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