Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 15:09
My favourite hobby horse... Caravan axles and alignment.
My experience - 1999 build Jayco poptop. Single axle. 18000 km and the inner edge of the tyres srcubbed down to the steel belt. Measured toe-in, I had 10 mm toe-OUT at the tyre tread. Still under warranty - phone Jayco. I put new tyres on and drove
home from
Perth to
Cooma. Removed axle and after lengthy delays with no response from Jayco, I took the axle down to Dandenong and asked the gateman a the factory where to park? He told me to park near the showroom, so I did - right across the doorway. This was after 3 letters, 4 phonecalls and a few faxes as
well. Luckily the service manager was in at the time. In addition, Jayco had assembled the axle offset so that the U bolts had hit the chassis rail on a large bump and dented the chassis. Jayco sent the axle off to AL-KO (the axle manufacturer) and they "straightened " the axle.
Fast forward 2 years and by then I was on the 3rd set of tyres, only one tyre having blown out, the rest worn on the inner edge. I was in Kunanurra and saw that the tyres would probably not last the distance
home. I contacted AL-KO and asked them what the toe-in should be. To their creedit, the manager said to limp
home and then measure the axle, let them know and he would send me a new axle. He did this - no charge to me for the axle or the freight either way - and I fitted it after centering it properly. The new axle still had about 5 mm toe-in, but to date this seems to be working because the tyres are wearing (if at all) evenly.
I asked the manager about alignment and he said that they had to have some toe-in for stability purposes. I suspect that they have a toe-in because they weld a round axle onto a square bar. They probably put the axle in a jig and then lay one heavy bead of weld down one side. The weld will shrink on cooling, causing some deflection. Then they do the other side, hoping that the cooling will pull the axle straight again. It won't, but the little bit left over is the design toe-in. Personally, I doubt that they need any toe-in or toe-out, but that is what I was told. To their credit, AL-KO stood by me even though the initial claim was out of warranty.
They also backed me up when a brake drum/hub assembly failed due to cracking. I phoned the manager and asked where I could buy a new hub assembly, and he offered to send me 2 new hubs for free, as long as I returned the old hubs. Freight both ways was included as
well. AL-KO have certainly backed their products with me.
Because of my experience with tyres wearing out, I naturally am on the
lookout to help others in a similar position. I have seen about 20 vans with tyres worn on their inner edge and the owners unaware of the problem. It is easy to prevent this during manufacture - all it takes is for someone to throw a tape measure across the tyres before fitting the axle to the chassis and
check that (a) the toe-in in correct and (b) the axle is to be installed the correct way - what was toe-in becomes to-out when it is wrong. But of course, caravan manufacturers don't do that sort of quality control. Incidentally, it isn't only Jayco vans which have had these problems but it normally is...
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 21:22
Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 21:22
I have Alko beam axles and the stubs are turned out of one piece of square steel. This means no deviation form dead straight. No toe in, toe out, or camber.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 22:01
Wednesday, Sep 07, 2016 at 22:01
Sorry but is absolute BULL$#!^ that a trailer axle needs toe in for stability.
Pretty much without exception beam trailer axles should be dead straighjht and linear
cheers
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