New 70 Series Landcruiser upgrade

Submitted: Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 16:54
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Just been to my local Toyota dealer to find out when the new upgrade is due to be released . Release date is October 25th the up grade to the 4.5L V8 is new piezo injectors Diesel particulate filter and a larger bonnet intake for the intercooler. Revise gear ratio on second and fifth gears and will have the same bucket seats as the Hilux.
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Reply By: Steve in Kakadu - Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 17:39

Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 17:39
It also has front and rear diff locks as standard, or so I was told by a dealer.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 06:24

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 06:24
Only the GXL.
Traction and stability control are standard across the range as are side airbags.
The single cab use gets ANCAP 5, but none of the others do.
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 18:58

Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 18:58
That's interesting. I had heard that they were revising the 5th overdrive ratio to reduce engine revs for cruising. This is the first I had heard about a change to 2nd.
Not a bad idea if they close the gap between 2nd and 3rd. With such a torquey motor the present setup is ok but the gap does show up a bit when towing close to maximum in hilly country.
Pity about the DPF but I guess necessary for pollution control.

I wonder how much all these mods will bump the price.

Cheers
Pop
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Follow Up By: carl h2 - Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 19:43

Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 19:43
starting price for the 76 series wagon is going to be around $5000.00 more so that would be around $72000.00
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Follow Up By: Steve in Kakadu - Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 20:02

Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 20:02
I was told about $4500 for the twin cab ute.
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Follow Up By: carl h2 - Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 21:01

Monday, Sep 19, 2016 at 21:01
I was shown a Email from Toyota Australia with the suggested price.
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Reply By: Life Member - Fred B (ex-NT) - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 07:00

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 07:00
My dealer has no information regarding the rear wheel spacing. Any news on that?
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 07:34

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 07:34
It hasn't changed unfortunately. Still 100mm difference.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:40

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:40
Is it really that big an issue? I mean, from an OCD point of view it might be preferable to have the wheels line up, though if you look at the specs, many cars have a wider track on the front than at the rear.
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 13:56

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 13:56
Hi Tim

I corrected mine with an engineered solution and the difference was pronounced...

A Flaw in the 70 Series Toyota's - And a Solution...

Cheers, Baz
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 16:26

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 16:26
Thanks Baz - an interesting read.

I'd suggest one reason why they may not have changed the rear track is for commonality of parts with all the 6 cylinder versions still in use throughout the world (although it's a Toyota - how often are you replacing rear axles and housings?!). Evidently Toyota doesn't really see it as a big issue.
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Reply By: Top End Az - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 20:55

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2016 at 20:55
About time they fixed a couple of outstanding issues but it's still massively overpriced and under specced for the money with glaring issues still outstanding, wheel track difference, no auto and less spec than a 1980s Sigma. That's what lack of sector competition does in a market.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:31

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:31
It sounds like you might benefit more from a visit your local Hyundai or Kia/Mazda dealer - those guys specialise in cheap cars which sell well because they have lots of non-essential electric gadgets like sat-nav and electric folding mirrors, and usually more cup holders than seats.
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 15:09

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 15:09
Just sat in my Hyundai and I can't seem to find a sat nav, folding mirror switch and only two cup holders.

Tim you maybe able to point me in the right direction.

Friends John Deere 8400 tractor has more features than a a 70 series ute including a fridge, Multi media mounts, Electric mirrors, leather seats and a sat nav.

Maybe you should look at the specs of a 200 series. For me, Top End has dared to describe some of the short comings of the 70 series and he is right.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 16:02

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 16:02
Those are not shortcomings, just indications that the vehicle isn't right for his/her needs or wants. If the 70 doesn't have the features, then perhaps the 200 is a more appropriate consideration.

The 70 and 200 are aimed at very different parts of the market and built for very different purposes - right from the ground up (one has rigid axles, the other is independently sprung on all corners which suggests something about their expected uses).
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Follow Up By: carl h2 - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 16:46

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 16:46
O well I have just placed a order for the poverty pack 76 series GXL wagon if you want to talk about price justified the price of the 200 sahara $118000
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross N (NSW) - Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 22:05

Friday, Sep 23, 2016 at 22:05
Perhaps we should be thankful that purchasing any particular vehicle is not compulsory .
Ross Nielsen
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Saturday, Sep 24, 2016 at 04:17

Saturday, Sep 24, 2016 at 04:17
Tim, then it would probably pay to not call other manufactures cheap and stick to the facts. That or call Toyota cheap because they offer vehicles with all the bells and whistles.

Just sayin.
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Sunday, Sep 25, 2016 at 13:41

Sunday, Sep 25, 2016 at 13:41
The problem for most people on this Forum is that no manufacturer actually makes a vehicle that perfectly suits our requirements. The vehicles we tend to use were designed to appeal to much bigger market segments: tradesmen (most of the Thai utes), football mums (Prado Pajero etc etc) or miners (Toyota 70 series).

We mostly have been able to adapt these vehicles to our needs but it is usually a costly compromise.

The Toyota 70 series might be perfect for thrashing in a mine for three years, but for outback touring it is ridiculously expensive (miners don't care), very crude (no auto, unequal tack etc), and powered by a stonking V8 when a 3.0 V6 turbo diesel would deliver better economy and performance.

The reality is that manufacturers don't care about outback tourers. We are a tiny market segment of no economic consequence. There is no need to pretend that the Toyota 70 series are good cars. They are rubbish, and require lots of modification to make them half decent tourers. There's no fixing the tranny or donk though.

Bob
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