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has any body had toyo tyres at the moment I am running bfgs all terrain got 138000klm out if them just after some advice on what sort of tyre
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Reply By: Member - Ross N (NSW) - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:44

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:44
John
Give me a hard question.
If I got anywhere near 100000k let alone 130000 out of my BFG's I would not look at another tyre.
Can't help with Toyo, sorry
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:58

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:58
thanks for the advice I think I would be stupid to look at another tyre they might be dearer but pays for it self in the long run
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Follow Up By: KiwiAngler - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:20

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:20
Totally agree with Ross N
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Reply By: Member - eighty matey - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 12:58

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 12:58
G'day John,

just by coincidence I posted a thread just before yours on Toyo tyres.

I've had a set of Toyo Open Country M/Ts on our 80 series Land Cruiser for tow and a half years. We've travelled over 97,000 kms in that time and I can't fault the tyres. We've had two flats and both were stakings, one on road with a piece of timber and one off track in burnt out country.
We've travelled a bit over half on bitumen, often towing a work trailer. We've travelled many thousands of kilometres on most of the worst tracks and roads in Australia.

I've rotated the six tyres when needed and kept and eye pressures. When travelling our vehicle is heavily loaded for remote travel.
The tyres aren't noisy, handle well and drive well even in wet weather.

My only decision is to go to the A/T2 or get another set of M/Ts.
Pricewise, I originally paid $305 each for the M/Ts. I recently got a price from the same Tyrepower shop (with new owners) and the price had increased $100 a tyre. I got a quote from a local independent tyre shop and he can fit the M/T tyres for $305 each and the A/Ts for $290 each. The independent's price for BFG KO2s is $303 each and KM2s at $311 each, so price for me isn't much of an issue when compaing the two brands.

I hope this helps you.

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Follow Up By: john m85 - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 07:43

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 07:43
Gday eighty matey your answer does help I no 138000klm is hard to beleave but that's it I swap my tyres every 5000 no matter what front to back I think thnat helped a lot
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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:07

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:07
I believe the mileage John. I'll easily get another fifteen thousand kilometres out of our Toyos if I wasn't going away again
Watching pressures and rotating the six tyres is the way to get the best out of your tyres.
They're one of the most important parts of the vehicle for safety and peace of mind.

Big mileage isn't necessarily a great thing because the tyres might have a high mileage in be in bad condition.
I'm still uncertain whether to go with the M/Ts or A/Ts. It's a big decision for me.

Good luck.
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 12:59

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 12:59
One Hundred and Thirty Eight Thousand Kilometres?

Are you sure that you got the "zeroes" right?
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 13:45

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 13:45
138000klms that's right
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 16:30

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 16:30
John is that over 4 tyres or more?

People always say how many k's they get but forget to clarify how many tyres got them there
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Follow Up By: Member - MikeR - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 17:41

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 17:41
I'd stick with 'em. 138,000 kms without one punct . . . uation.
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Follow Up By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 18:31

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 18:31
Gdy Allan
I think John M should put in for a "Guiness book of records " entry with that mileage.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 19:38

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 19:38
Agreed Muz.

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Follow Up By: Boof, Bairnsdale. - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 20:22

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 20:22
I'm tied.
BFG are good but not that good unless u r driving around on a golf course etc.

I've got Toyo's. Good tyres but my next will be BFG. There is no way I will get those k's unless I put them on a helicopter.

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 22:57

Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 22:57
Further to Alby's question John - what size tyres, what vehicle, and at what point did you hit the wear blocks - aka steel belts?

Edit - just checked and it seems the vehicle's a Tojo HJ 60.
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Reply By: Member - Racey - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 15:55

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 15:55
I have just got 80000ks out of a set of Cooper AT3. When I asked my tyre man to suggest something else, his response was " I'm always reluctant to suggest anything else when people are happy with what they have"

130000 does seem incredable; may be driving around the local sports oval :-)
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 21:11

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 21:11
138,000km?

No dirt I guess?

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Follow Up By: TomH - Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 22:22

Sunday, Nov 20, 2016 at 22:22
Probably driving on slicks for 50,000 of them as mine werent worn out at 65,000 but had too little tread to be considered safe for towing.
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Reply By: Member - Blue M - Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 02:24

Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 02:24
Sob Sob,
I really want to know where I am going wrong.
I just replaced a set of Bridgestones 697 Duelers around 35,000, so personally I could not recommend them to you.

I have Toyo AT2 on the rear now but have only done approx. 3,000 k's so far, too early to comment.
If I got 45 to 50,000 I would be happy.

To my way of thinking a set of tyres is 4, to some people it is 6, others could have 4 spares.

It could make a bit of difference to the kilometres you can get out of a set.

Say I get 60,000 out of a set of 4 tyres, that's 15,000 per tyre, if someone else has a set of 6 tyres, the math than turns that into 90,000 out of a set.

Question, how many tyres is there in a set.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 07:57

Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 07:57
Hi Blue

Like you, I have swapped over to the new Toyo AT 11 for the very reason you stated above.

Prior to this I have used exclusively the Bridgestone 694 and then 2 sets of the 697 in LT construction. My tyre life is for a set of only 4 tyres only and were rotated every 5k to give them the best possible even wear, but sadly by the time they get nearly 30k out of them, the wear rate would increase quite fast andnot good enough to head bush with them.

Our tyres do almost 95% dirt and off road driving and are replaced when tread wear is around 50% to give me the best possible tyre protection. If it was not for the only factor of tyre wear, the 697's were a great tyre and never any sigh of chipping or the like.

So far the Toyo's have done nearly 10 k and are still like new and just as good as my old 697's. Time will be the test, but if I can get 40k at 50% tread life, they will be replaced again with another set of Toyo's.


Time will be the biggest test, but at this early stage, the new AT11 are looking great.



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Follow Up By: Paul and Mel - Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 21:16

Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 21:16
I've currently done 36K on my 697's and they are only about 1/2 way down. Admittedly they haven't done much dirt work though. I'd buy them again for sure, good tyre wet and dry.
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Reply By: Baz - The Landy - Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 07:41

Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 07:41
I use Toyo M55, and have used them extensively off-road/off-track in desert country and extremely pleased with the result.

As for tyre longevity, I suspect that like anything there will be outlier's in terms of service, 138K would seem extreme though, but on that basis I would question why you would change anything.

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Reply By: Michael H9 - Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 08:09

Monday, Nov 21, 2016 at 08:09
A few years back I got nearly 130k out of a set of Uniroyal Laredos. You can't buy them anymore in Australia, which makes sense....a company will go broke selling tyres that don't wear out. The rubber in them was very hard, deadly on wet roads.
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Reply By: Sigmund - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:15

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:15
On tirerack.com 12 users report more than 80,000 kms with the BFG T/As.
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Reply By: D-MaxerWA - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 22:46

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2016 at 22:46
What the OP is really saying is, he got 92000km out of a set of 4. Still good value though. It looks like I will get about the same from some Hankooks I have fitted.

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Reply By: Wayne B16 - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2016 at 15:38

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2016 at 15:38
HI everyone, I had cooper A/T did 85,000 mostly bituemen and sand nice and quiet but not great in the wet. Now have bridgestone duellers A/T a bit noisier but better in the wet and they have done 16,000 and still look new , I have done a lot of gravel driving this year and they are annoying how stones lodge in the tread and when you get back on the tar sometimes they flick up .
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Reply By: Batt's - Sunday, Nov 27, 2016 at 00:50

Sunday, Nov 27, 2016 at 00:50
I'm currently up to around 115,000 on my twin cab patrol with Kumho KL78 A/T was going to replace them before last xmas the tread depth was fine just a bit slippery in the wet like an empty tray back drives like but we didn't get a decent wet season so there still on. Have only done a bit of gravel driving and some beach work.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Sunday, Nov 27, 2016 at 09:13

Sunday, Nov 27, 2016 at 09:13
How many tyres are you running Batt's?
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 04:36

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 04:36
Ah yeah forgot to mention the spare is included as well don't see the sense in wasting money on a 5th tyre and not use it for 5 or 6 yrs only to throw it away.

When I replace them I'll be using 6 tyres next time.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:27

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:27
Batts,

If you have driven 115,000 vehicle kilometres using 5 tyres then each of the tyres has done only 92,000 on the road. Still not a bad performance though.

I can't get anything like that performance with any brand but I do a most of my driving on rough and stony roads with a heavy vehicle. I also find that the tyres with better wear performance are more slippery on wet bitumen, probably due to harder tread rubber.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:02

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:02
These tyres have been great for most of their life they grip very well in the wet no sign of slipping on my ute I was surprised how well they handled good on gravel roads and the beach.

5yrs ago before I bought new rims and the Kumho's 285/75/16 for my ute I put the Mickey Thompson 5 rib ATZ's of my wagon onto the ute 32/11.5/15 they were less that 1 yr old and great on the wagon but dangerous on the ute it felt like it wanted to slip off the road, they would even break traction sometimes accelerating in 3rd that's how bad they were I'm not a kid so I wasn't driving like I was 18 again. Done around 500km and put them back on the wagon . My GQ is no powerhouse small DTS turbo exhaust, intercooler a bit quicker than stock petrol.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:10

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:10
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'..... they would even break traction sometimes".

So long as they didn't 'break wind' LOL
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:15

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:15
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There is some confusion in the expressions above regarding the km performance of a 'set' of tyres. Some get it right, others don't. Because of that, comparisons are worthless. 'Alby', 'Blue M' and 'D-MaxerWA' have already mentioned this although the OP has yet to advise just how many tyres were in the set that he used to achieve "138,000km".

To determine how many km each tyre has done it is necessary to divide the vehicle km by the number of tyres in use, say 5 or 6 and multiply by 4 (the number of tyres on the road) Of course, if the spare(s) are not being used then no factoring is necessary.

As an example, using the numbers from the OP's post above, an expressed performance of 138,000km with 5 tyres rotated is 138,000 divided by 5 and multiplied by 4 which equals 19,040km performance for each tyre. With 6 tyres in use it would be only 92,000km per tyre.

If this factoring is not applied then the expression of performance using vehicle km is meaningless. In the case of the OP, "john m85" unless he advises just how many tyres were used, then his stated performance of 138,000km is rather meaningless.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:38

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:38
"As an example, using the numbers from the OP's post above, an expressed performance of 138,000km with 5 tyres rotated is 138,000 divided by 5 and multiplied by 4 which equals 19,040km performance for each tyre. With 6 tyres in use it would be only 92,000km per tyre"

Do you want to recheck your figures Allan ?

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 13:31

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 13:31
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Yeah, thanks Gramps.
EDIT...... 138,000 divided by 5 and multiplied by 4 equals ***110,400***km.

Gotta get a new calculator, maybe with bigger keys!! lol
p.s. Did I get it right Gramps?)
p.p.s. If not, would you fix it for me?
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 13:59

Monday, Nov 28, 2016 at 13:59
Hahaha, asking me is like the blind leading the blind. Just had to make sure I had'nt totally lost it.

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Reply By: Simon V - Friday, Dec 16, 2016 at 07:28

Friday, Dec 16, 2016 at 07:28
I am running AT 2's great tyre zero issues also had then on my prev patrol as well they perform very well
only downside is they are a lot heavier than a lot of other tyres out there due to there true lt construction
check out American tyre reviews you will get some great insight into AT tyres performance
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