200 Series Landcruiser intercooler air flow
Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 13:44
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Hi Guys, I have seen an article recently advising of air flow problems on 200 Series LCs that have been fitted with bull bars. According to the article, the top bar tends to restrict air flow the turbo intercooler, thus reducing power output. Has anyone else seen or heard of this problem?
Reply By: Bobjl - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:22
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:22
My current LC 200 Series Diesel with ARB bull bar has travelled 80,000 k,s [including a lot of towing large van] and no issues with overheating. I also had Toyota steel bullbar on previous 200 series which travelled 130,000 k's including 15,000k's towing 3.5 tonne van in hot top end temps.
This does not mean there is not some retriction to airflow, rather it has just not caused me any apparent engine temp issues.
Bob
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 17:30
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 17:30
The issue is not an overheating issue but a power issue related to the intercooler not working efficiently
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:24
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:24
Can't recall seeing an article, but having had a good look at my engine bay, anything stuck to the front of the car is
well likely to interfere with the airflow to the intercooler. As I see it, the intercooler has a huge area (compared to some), in order to make up for the modest airflow; if you have a look at the route the air needs to take from the upper front grill through to the aluminium fins, that flow needs all the help it can get ! It seems that a through-scoop on top of the bonnet would improve the situation massively ! I don't have a bullbar on my VX, but if I was going that way, I'd note the commonly seen values on the various gauges and then compare post the install (outside temp - incoming air temp - water temp - engine temp etc.).
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:30
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:30
Some relevant discussion
here at the
home of all wisdom on Landcruisers :-)
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Follow Up By: TomH - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:58
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:58
You cant link to a thread in Lcool as none other than members can read them.
It just goes to the login page
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 19:04
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 19:04
Best to join then.
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Follow Up By: Paul E6 - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 20:29
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 20:29
theres no way a bonnet mounted IC works better than a front mount.
I don't think the major makers even do it anymore.
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:42
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 15:42
I'm amazed that modern vehicles don't have more overheating issues when you consider what is sitting in the airflow.
Apart from the fact that a vehicle like the 200 Land Cruiser, has an auto transmission cooler dumping heat into the cooling system, you also have taking priority, in the airflow, the said intercooler, an air con condenser and then the poor old engine radiator. Then on top of all that, with a 200 like my
young bloke has, out front there sits a 'roo bar, a pair of spotties that could light up the WACA, and a winch.
Admittedly his Jayco pop top expander van is pretty light at about 1800 kg but he works in the
Pilbara with it's 40 + degree ambients at this time of year.
Cheers
Pop
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 19:03
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 19:03
There is also a power steering oil cooler on the RHS in front of the radiator!
But its an amazing cooling system - I towed the caravan last march in 40+ degree heat from
Adelaide to
Brisbane and the measured coolant temps (scangauge and engine watchdog) stayed happily in the eighties.
Its an interesting post though - I've not seen anyone complain about the intercooler temps even though it takes air through the top of the grille and through the double skin bonnet. My bullbar sits at same height as front of the bonnet, so probably doesn't affect it. But I don't block off the airflow with lights either.
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Reply By: RMD - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 20:46
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 20:46
A restriction of airflow through the intercooler probably won't heat the engine, but it will/may increase intake airtemp which means LESS oxygen in the cylinder and a hotter burn of pressured aircharge and fuel. Less oxygen in the cylinders will reduce power. SimiIar effect to high altitude where there is less air for the turbo to compress.
I think that is what the poster is meaning.
Not sure what relevance all the other items mentioned have on the issue posted.
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Follow Up By: Bobjl - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 21:07
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 21:07
You may be correct in your first paragraph and that may assist OPand others.
It is unfortunate that you felt the need to say..Not sure what relevance all the other items mentioned have on the issue posted.
The OP enquiry was reasonably responded to by contributors in my opinion.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 21:29
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 21:29
G'Day Bbjl.
I can't see the presence of the auto or the power steering or the radiator or aircon condenser are an issue in the low of power caused by increased intake airflow temp which definitely rarifies the air, other items do not Therefore, probably they shouldn't be considered in the mix.
Rarified air, ie, on a very hot day, almost eliminated the turbo effect of my HJ61.
There was no intercooler and so the effect was felt far more than an engine which has an intercooler. The intercooler, where fitted, acts as a buffer and subsequently not causing such a loss when air intake temp is higher than normal/desired.
RMD
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Follow Up By: Bobjl - Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 21:59
Wednesday, Dec 07, 2016 at 21:59
Noted RMD.
You make good points and yes there may have been some drift/slightly off the exact enquiry, all
well intended and interesting contributions I felt.
Trying to help OP several LCool members [inc myself] searched that
forum to see if anything specific about restrictions as per enquiry, without any success.
The
information that OP had heard about was it seem anecdotal at best as there is no credible refernce to the issue that many of us have looked for. The restriction of air flow to the Intercooler is one point and may not be of any concern, however the restriction of air to the Radiator by bull bars spotties and
winches, may be.
OP may get further comfort from posting his enquiry on LCOOL 200
forum, Admin might help.
Bob
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Reply By: TomH - Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 09:16
Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 09:16
Not owning a 200 ser Im not sure if this idea will help.
In the heat when towing a van my 100ser had a very high under bonnet temp. I removed the fexible inner guard panels and the temp dropped somewhat.
Sometimes its not how much air you can get in but how much heat you can get out and providing extra exit points may help.
Im not sure how a bonnet scoop will help as it will bring air in BEHIND the intercooler wont it
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 10:43
Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 10:43
Unless Toyota have changed their design or the vehicle has had a mod, it's a top-mounted intercooler. The scoop would feed air directly to it.
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Follow Up By: TomH - Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 13:50
Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 13:50
Oh
well there you go An intercooler on top of a hot engine. Wonder why the drifters put them out the front Cant be the proper way. LOL
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 14:32
Thursday, Dec 08, 2016 at 14:32
Yes, Tom. And "cooled" by a fairly restricted flow of air that has been pre-heated (in Oz, anyway) as it passes between the skins of the bonnet. Hence my son's re-naming it the interheater. :-)
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