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Hi all, 1st post for me.
I have a 2000 petrol landcruiser... just the 6 cyl. that is very tired now and needs to retire... basically it needs rebuilds on everything...according to my mechanic, and so it is now time to invest in a new truck.
This is what i would like to do..
Tow a hard floor camper trailer in sand and everywhere.
i don't go hardcore 4x4, forest trails and beach really, just to escape the masses.
maybe the odd adventurous drive, but more than likely without the camper on.
i will have between $30-$40K budget.
i am looking at petrol 200 series, but the kms are about the 150k-180k mark...
i could get a newish low km bt50 for that coin.
but i know the absolute need for power towing on the sand, my 105 petrol did it with ease.... well at least i thought so until the recent conversation with my mechanic.
$40k is a lot of money to me and my family, we want safe, reliable, and don't want to kill it with our weekends away.
your opinions will be greatly appreciated, i have researched cars and read good and bad reviews now to the point of being utterly confused and unsure.
thanks rob
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Reply By: splits - Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 20:42

Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 20:42
Some car manufacturers recommend a reduction in towing capacity in off road conditions. With that in mind I emailed Toyota's customer information service with a few questions about my Hilux 4x4 soon after buying it. One of the things they told me was do not tow at all in soft dry sand.

If your old Cruiser did it easily then I would be looking for something the same size with at least the same amount of power and torque or maybe a little more.

How heavy is your camper trailer and what is its loaded ball weight? High weights on the tow ball combined with a fair amount of gear in the back can cause major chassis bending problems, particularly in off road conditions, on cab/chassis utes like the BT50 and just about everything else including dual cab Landcruisers.
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Follow Up By: rob h18 - Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 20:53

Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 20:53
thanks for your response Splits.
it really spins me out to hear that of the hilux...
i will try and research this more.
The ball weight and camper trailer weight are unknown, i will find out.
i do have a great adjustable 3.5tonne tow ball, to counter the lift of the last 4x4 so the tow ball didn't take a heap of weight.
i like the 200 series, its just the 150-180k kms that concern me.
the diesels are out of my price range....
i guess jut get one with service history maybe as peace of mind
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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 22:05

Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 22:05
Breaking the back on a dualcab comes down to how it is abused. Fitting airbags, extended trays, overloading, speed of travel etc. will all push any vehicle to the limit.

You do not mention if you are after a manual or auto but do yourself a favour and take a current model auto for a test run, they are the best for towing and even off road.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 07:12

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 07:12
As above. I had a 1fz-fe 80 series for years and it is still in the family. The px ford/Mazda is ahead in the towing department, have no fear. If you like the cruiser though, they aren't hard to keep running in spite of what your mech says, and they require much less love than these new ones do I can guarantee that. The 80 is coming up on 500k and is still kicking goals. The ranger is at 100k. I don't think I will be putting 500 on it.
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Follow Up By: splits - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 14:18

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 14:18
" it really spins me out to hear that of the hilux"

I think it would apply to all of the other utes as well. It most likely involves the increased stress on the drive train and the engine cooling system.

A lot of people tow on beaches without any problems. It might be a different story though if you did it every day as part of your job.

" i guess jut get one with service history maybe as peace of mind"

That is essential at that mileage. I have worked for three Toyota dealers and I can assure you there are owners out there who could break an anvil if given the chance. 150 to 180 thousand ks is nowhere near enough to wear out a well maintained and sensibly driven 200 series but it is more than enough for some people to turn them into wrecks.

Getting an NRMA type of pre purchase inspection is also a good idea.

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Reply By: mountainman - Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 22:53

Sunday, Feb 05, 2017 at 22:53
Why wouldn't you go another 100 series.
and this time instead of the 105 petrol
go for the 100serirs 4.7v8
They are dirt cheap to buy.
plenty of power above the 4.5 but only come in auto.
price wise 18-28k should get you into a low mileage cruiser.
and again
with the budget you have, even a 1HD FTE 100 series. From 03-05 depending
On kms driven
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Follow Up By: rob h18 - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 08:45

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 08:45
Thanks all for your replies. I will be using car finance for a portion of the purchase and they specify the car age being no older than 2008 otherwise the interest rate pops up a fair whack.
I am definitely after an automatic.
I love my 100 series, but it was pretty gutless up hills with the camper on, wish I had bought the v8 all those years ago.

I am not fussy, I will buy a Great Wall if it's the best car for me..... which I am quite sure it's not ;)
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Reply By: Hewy54 - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 09:03

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 09:03
You have not said how many k's your current car has done.
If you spent $40000 on a newer one, who knows if you will have problems in a few months or years.
If you were to spent $20000 you will have a car that is older, but you know what work has been done or will need doing.
Buy a car that is newer and you will lose several thousand a year on depreciation.
Always had a chuckle over my sister in law who told me that their car was getting expensive to repair as it needed $4000 spent on it. Instead they spent $30000 on upgrading.
If you want a newer car, go for it, but do you really need it.
Financially you may be better off spending the money on repairs.
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Follow Up By: rob h18 - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 09:15

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 09:15
Hey Hewy,
Yep cheers for your opinion... it is a good idea.
My 4x4 has about 270k kms on it
I hear you about the repairs, it's just after doing them I will be left with a reliable under powered 6 cyl petrol cruiser.
I really need more grunt for mountain ranges and beach
I think it's time for a different car... this ones a bit tired....
I sometimes want to flick the camper trailer so I don't have to tow anymore.
I mean my landcruiser used to do it all but I felt it struggled with the steep and deep
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 10:18

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 10:18
Seriously look at the 4800 Patrols Rob.

They have significantly more power and torque , spread over a wider power band than your 2000 cruiser and are available with beautiful gearboxes in both manual/auto. I have owned several since 2001 and they significantly out perform the opposition. They use fuel though like your one.

They have really good long travel solid axles / coils all round.
A near perfect weight distribution , and can easily be converted to sleep inside (which we do for big trips).

Over 200k my manual averaged 17lt/100km and my current auto version is about 19 , but it does a lot more towing.
Including all the big tracks like Full Madigan / Canning / and hardcore Vic back country.

I recently got into a lightweight soft floor camper trailer (500kg loaded) and Patrol doesn't know it exists and extra fuel use is less than when I fit off-road 33" tyres compared to my 32" road runners.

As a car they are a degree less complex and can mostly be serviced at home.

Plenty around sub 20k.

Actually I like the 200 series and it was a close call when I got my latest 4800 (the last one made) however I banked the difference in cost and am way ahead since the petrol price crash 2 years ago.

We have a 4wd property and have tested many cars and they are seriously hard to beat !

Made from 2001 to 2011, they haven't changed much but had a pollution control power downgrade to 180kw in late 2005 and some cosmetic changes and then dropped the manual option so many feel that pick of bunch is just before the change.

Robin Miller

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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:08

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:08
when you say your motor is getting you mean blue smoke/oil usage, or low power, as if it is the later, buy a new fuel pump for the tank $180 later at repco, you may get back all the lost ponies.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 12:38

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 12:38

If you are after a full size 4wd and you are happy to pay extra in fuel (Petrol , I personally wouldn't ) than I would have to agree with Robin with his endorsement of the 4800 petrol Patrol , they are thirsty but pretty well bullet proof , and exceptional value for money .

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Reply By: rob h18 - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 16:16

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 16:16
Wow, thank you very much for your replies.
I will look into the patrols as suggested.
A quick search shows them with similar kms to the 200 series...
and prices close too.
Is the Nissan superior to the 200 series?
I will keep my eye you for a 100 series v8 also.
I could swap out my wheels and tyres and bits that way.
I saw a pretty good 200 series with 165k kms on it for $38k
But I am no great hurry to purchase.
And in response to my current vehicle, I was told i need the valve stem seals doing, transmission, front wheel seals (forgot the right name) and had too much play in both front and rear diffs....
It still runs nice, just blows smoke and rattles over bumps and when I back of the gas and reapply the transmission thuds...
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Reply By: braincell - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 17:30

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 17:30
Buy a Pajero , happy with mine .2012 nw TD . Towed camper trailer over plenty of sand , not bad on fuel either .
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Reply By: rob h18 - Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 21:56

Monday, Feb 06, 2017 at 21:56
ok, still looking.....
dare i ask, would a jeep grand cherokee
3.0 turbo diesel be a contender,
i have read good things, but i don't know about build quality etc
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2017 at 13:13

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2017 at 13:13

Just interested , where did you here good things about your last suggestion .

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Follow Up By: rob h18 - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2017 at 20:13

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2017 at 20:13
Hey Mark,

My wife showed me a web article of the top 10 towers, and it was a car on the list, one i hadn't considered... i am figuring they are cheaper for a reason... but also, i know some car companies are producing pretty respectable cars nowadays.
i just looked at them on carsales and looked up the kw rating and torque etc and they seemed pretty good... off road capability, i'm not so sure on, i am sure it would be an ok choice for black top only, but as i said i like the beach!
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 08:03

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 08:03
What year model, WH or WK2?. The WH had a Mercedes 3 litre and the newer WK2 has a VM (Fiat) 3 litre. There's a lot to like about Jeeps but reliability isn't one of them, although I had a diesel Grand for 220k kms with no major issues. The WK2 had issues on sand where the traction control and electrics weren't playing well with the surface. It's probably been fixed by now but it would pay to check it as sand is a priority for you. Another problem with all Jeeps is that most Aussie mechanics don't want to touch them, clearly not a problem with European or American mechanics. It's a bias you would have to live with.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 16:34

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 16:34

You are not going to go wrong with a petrol Nissan Patrol or a petrol Toyota Land cruiser if you are after a full size 4x4 ( As your preference is Petrol )

I would think whatever is the better value at the time of purchase .

Would you buy a car that most Aussie mechanics don't want to work on !
as stated above , I wouldn't

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Follow Up By: rob h18 - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 16:39

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 16:39
hi guys, awesome info thanks.... they don't mention that stuff in the articles!
yep, thats off the list... Patrol or Landcruiser agreed... i will keep an eye out for a good one. i am not against diesels, just so expensive...
excellent advice, thanks again
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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 21:28

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2017 at 21:28
Having owned a 100, a Bt50 and a 200, I would keep the constant 4wd and buy a 200, but, only a good one with service history, ensure you get it appraised by a 4wd workshop before shelling out
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