There's no Logic really, just Revenue raising!!.

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 19:11
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The rego stickers are a thing of the past , but the boys in Blue can pick up in a flash with the latest technology when you drive by., whether you have current rego and license or not. Which makes me wonder when your pulled over randomly and don't have your license on you whether the seventy dollar fine is a fair thing? By the time they turn their motor off they know everything about you, so if your totally clear in all respects,whats this bloody fine for?.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Gramps - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 19:15

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 19:15
Why would'nt you carry your license with you ?
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Follow Up By: axle - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 19:27

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 19:27
Hi Gramps, Simple! ,left wallet at home!,My Beef is they can see in seconds everything is current, these days, So press buttons or look at the bit of plastic whats the big deal?

Cheers,
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 19:37

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 19:37
Oh Axle, you silly sausage. I see your point but the laws still state you must carry it with you when driving. Probably fall back on easier to identify you if you are injured in an accident or such.

I got held up for an hour or so in the work vehicle, unregistered !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Had to wait till boss got it registered before I could drive away. Cop advised that the points would come off MY license as it's the driver's responsibility to ensure the vehicle is registered etc. I now use the "Service NSW" app to check every vehicle I am asked to drive these days.


Regards

p.s. I hope this upsets the PC crowd regarding going off on a tangent in Follow-Ups. Miserable so-and-sos.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 20:48

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 20:48
Gramps .

Why would it Annoy the so called PC crowd .

You didn't go off on a Tangent .

Did you read what Axle wrote .

He spoke about Car Rego and car licences the same as you ??????
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 22:16

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 22:16
How can they tell if you have a current license ? They can tell who the car is registered to, but unless they see your license, they don't know who you are ?
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 09:34

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 09:34
What if I am not driving. Maybe the car has been stolen and not reported because I am still at the footy etc etc. Then the driver would need my licence, that is if the car is registered in my name. I would be only too happy for them to pull the car over.

Same with disabled parking. I haven't lost a leg or limp etc but I have permanent disabled parking. I am only too happy to have people question my usage of disabled parking. I always answer them with a smile and thank them for asking!

It is so easy to do the right thing.

So goon on the cops. Thanks to them.

Phil
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Reply By: Sigmund - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 20:20

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 20:20
Yeah. Could be someone else's vehicle.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 20:41

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 20:41
Axle

You shouldn't need to carry a licence anymore , as you said the boys in blue can easily check to see if you have a licence .

Cheers
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Follow Up By: TomH - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 22:57

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 22:57
Not until you identify yourself they cant From the rego they can only tell who its registered to. It could be a company. Are you Mr Bill Bloggs Effluent Cleaners.

No, well you better have your licence or you may be in the product..
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 21:44

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 21:44
They can do licence checks on a huge number of vehicles in a very short pace of time. They will know be able to see the name the vehicle is registered in, but that says nothing about the person who is driving.

You can say you are Fred Blogs if you suspect he is going to fine you for speeding or something, but your licence with you photo proves it is you.
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Reply By: Notso - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 22:32

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 22:32
Yes, but if you can't prove who you are they have a right to arrest you for the purposes of Identification. So probably a good idea to carry the licence Eh!. They were probably just being nice to you!
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Follow Up By: Dusty D - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 06:57

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 06:57
"they have a right to arrest you for the purposes of Identification"

I've never heard of that before, what would be the charge?

I don't think there would be a jurisdiction anywhere in the country where police can arrest you simply because you left your wallet at home and weren't able to produce any form of identification.

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Follow Up By: Notso - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:30

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:30
Yes, if you commit an offence and are pulled up by the police and you cannot identify yourself you can be arrested for the purpose of identification. It doesn't happen often, but there are occasions when this law is applied.

Most people do try to comply with the law, but occasionally as you did, they forget to carry their licence. Now a few years back you would have been asked to present your licence at a police station within 24 hrs, but I don't think police have this discretionary power anymore.
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Follow Up By: Dusty D - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:15

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:15
"Most people do try to comply with the law, but occasionally as you did, they forget to carry their licence'

Where did that come from Notso? I never stated that I had forgotten to carry my licence.

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Follow Up By: Notso - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:30

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:30
Yeah, sorry mate confusion between initial post and yours! Should have left out "as you did"
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Reply By: Blown4by - Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 23:23

Saturday, Feb 18, 2017 at 23:23
My understanding is that in some States it is a legal requirement to carry your drivers license at all times when driving, although in WA this is not the case. I am not aware that the vehicle license has to be carried as well but someone may correct me on that. Personally I would not want to leave my vehicle license in the vehicle when it is unattended should a theft of the vehicle compromise my identifying information. As you have said with number plate recognition the currency of the vehicle license can be checked as well as ownership. The Drivers License can be checked too using the MDL number or name and date of birth and in some States the persons photograph can also be retrieved. The downside is that in many remote areas without mobile phone coverage i.e. no data connection, neither of these systems operate. This may be part of the reason, as well as for reasons of identity confirmation, why the MDL has to be carried in some States. Most people would want their family to be notified asap should they be incapacitated in an accident or similar. Without some form of positive ID including a photograph, a huge waste of Police time (which we all pay for) could result as well as a delay in notifying next of kin. Additionally the lack of critical medical information could delay proper treatment and in the case of a death the absence any organ donation information could render useless the possibility of using any vital organs the deceased may have nominated.
In WA (one of the first States to do away with the registration sticker) anyone with a computer can check if a vehicle license is current by simply entering the plate number. Additionally by entering the MDL number, name and DOB a member of the public can check the currency of a Drivers License. Not sure what procedures are in place in other jurisdictions.
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Reply By: Paul E6 - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 00:12

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 00:12
Odd, I've been pulled over a few times without my license, but no fine.
Still, I am in WA.
Last year, a motorcycle cop pulled me over in a work vehicle for "technically" running a red. I don't carry my wallet while working, too much theft risk.
Result, no fine.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:49

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:49
As a matter of interest, how do technically run a red?

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Follow Up By: Paul E6 - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 23:45

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 23:45
I'm a posty.
I technically do a lot of things.
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Follow Up By: Rob J8 - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 20:01

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 20:01
I too am in WA Paul and even when I drove for South West Coachlines I didn't carry my licence. I think the 24 hour presentation at a cop shop is still in force over here; might be wrong gave up work 3 years ago but still don't carry my licence, it lives in the executive director of housekeeping's purse. Rob J
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Reply By: Rainman WA - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 00:39

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 00:39
Last year I went to pick my daughter up in her car as she had been drinking and I was stopped by a single copper for a random breath test.

He asked me if I had my licence on me, when I said no he asked for my name and who the car was registered to. I gave him my name and told him it was registered to my daughter and he asked if we lived at the same address, which I confirmed.

He then went off to his vehicle and after a minute gave me the thumbs up and off I went. Seems things aren't as backward in WA as everyone imagines.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 06:15

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 06:15
Maybe the police in a vehicle have everything about you but if you have an accident or a Police bike picks you up how do they get online to check your ID and photo? So you have to carry it on you.




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Follow Up By: Dean K3 - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:39

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:39
WAPOL motorbike patrol foot and bicycle patrols all have PDA which give them access to data base.

They can always make a inquiry on dedicated channel as well

As per other states not sure but guess they have similar system.
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Reply By: 9900Eagle - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 07:25

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 07:25
With a vehicle they don't care who owns it as long as it is not stolen and registered. When it comes to a person I could just be myself and tell them I an Donald Trump.

If I am pulled up around town (normally an RBT) and I don't have my licence on me, I just tell them my licence number and they have never bothered to check it. If they did, they would get enough info from the data base to satisfy them I am me and they are them.
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Reply By: Baz - The Landy - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:07

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:07
In practical terms, who doesn't carry their licence when driving - I suspect most people do, after all it isn't as though it is the size of a house-brick and generally it would fit into a wallet or purse.

I liken it to breathing, you don't have to do it, but it just causes you all kinds of problems if you don't... ;)

Cheers, Baz - The Landy

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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:14

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:14
LOL Baz, "I liken it to breathing, you don't have to do it, but it just causes you all kinds of problems if you don't... ;)"
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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 16:43

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 16:43
Yep good line , Baz
A story I heard along the same lines,
a comment from one bloke to another renowned lazy bloke
" jeez you are lucky breathing is automatic "
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Reply By: Mick O - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 09:18

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 09:18
The offence is available but usually it's used to ensure that the person produces their licence at a nominated place by a given date. If you do, the fine is voided. If you don't produce as required, you cop the fine. They do the same thing when your rego plates are worn or dodgy and need to be replaced. Give you the ticket with instructions to get new plates from Vic Roads within x number of days. If you do, fine is cancelled. If you don't ...you're an idiot! Helps ensure compliance.

Your licence has a photo ID. Without that, they don't really know who you are at all. You can tell them you're billy blogs and they won't know or be able to confirm that unless they have some form of visual or biometric identifier (like your fingerprint). This is why you must carry your licence. It's to prove your identity. If you got hauled up for unregistered vehicle or a traffic offence and don't produce sufficient ID to prove your identity, you'll be sitting down at the cop shop until you do. They won't give you a fine unless they can positively say who you are.

From my experience, it's also the sort of fine that can be pulled out for smart arses so its wise to be polite to someone who's doing a crappy job anyway ;-)

Cheers

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Reply By: Michael H9 - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 09:24

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 09:24
Carrying your licence seems very logical to me. Having photo ID ensures that you are the person you say you are, and certainly helps on those occasions where you can't speak due to incapacity. I think bicycle riders should have to carry photo ID as well, they all look the same in their fancy coloured lycra tights and there's no rego plate.
Back in the old days you only had to quote your licence number if you didn't have your licence on you, I still know mine. What a waste of time that was, I could have said anything pre computer checks and the copper would be none the wiser.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ups and Downs - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 10:16

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 10:16
'they all look the same in their fancy coloured lycra tights'
I think it's the spare sock that does that.
Paul
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 10:50

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 10:50
THere are apps for cyclists such as 'road ID' which I use. All my emergency I for is save as the lock screen photo on my phone so anyone who presses the home button can see it.
I can't speak for all riders but in my case it isn't a sock ;)
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Follow Up By: Keir & Marg - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:41

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:41
I have a photo of my licence on my phone. My phone is usually in my pocket, so even if I forget my wallet or my licence, I still have the licence details with me.
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09
NSW is working towards the introduction of a digital licence...

NSW Digital Licence

Cheers, Baz - The Landy
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Reply By: Member - PhilD_NT - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:50

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:50
Can anyone confirm what info Police actually see on their portable database. I would have thought that it was unlikely that it would have a picture of every driver in the country. If that is so then your own Drivers Licence is the only way to fully identify yourself. We were pulled up at a roadblock blitz near Coober Pedy 18 months ago and it was fairly clear that he knew a lot about me before we even stopped, but I still had to present my Licence.
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Follow Up By: Blown4by - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 23:17

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 23:17
The Police would only be able to see the photographs of drivers license holders within their own jurisdiction. The portable databases they carry are a link to their main frame computers so they can access everything that is on that database which is huge. i.e. vehicle details, MDL details, demerit points, offences, outstanding warrants, organ donation details, any restrictions such as must wear spectacles when driving, any medical conditions, firearm license details, etc.
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 15:21

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 15:21
G day
I think we will have to start a new " Saterday Night Opinions" with Axle . Another good subject Axle , keep up the good work with your opinions.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 15:50

Sunday, Feb 19, 2017 at 15:50
You are too easily pleased.
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 09:43

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 09:43
I always thought that there was plenty of logic in the saying, " do the crime, do the time"!

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 21:15

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 21:15
What!!! So we are supposed to have a licence to drive? Really,
Since when? :)) Michael
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 23:30

Monday, Feb 20, 2017 at 23:30
".............$70 is a fair thing."

Axle, feel the heavy vehicle driver who makes the mistake of forgetting both his license and log book and is intercepted. About $1300 combined donation to the coffers.

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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:12

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:12
Just the fine print of the motoring laws.., something about all motorists must produce their licence when asked.....same for the police carrying ID or their number displayed on their uniform....if they dont or cant identify themselves, you have no requirement to talk to them.
Same as applying for a passport.....go to your indian doctor to get a signature that you are you...
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