permit for Gary Junction Rd.

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 17:28
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Hi I hope someone can help me,has anybody recently in the last few weeks done the Gary Junction Rd.
I have got the Permit for the N.T.Part from Papunya to Kiwirrkurra, but for the W.A.Part I am still waiting,the last message i have recieved was an Offiser will assesing the Permit as soon as possible.
Now as we are travelling this Part on the 20.August there is not much time left.
What happen if I drive this short Part with the Reference Number I have,are there anyone checking it?
Do I have to pay a penalty ore am I going into jail?
Thanks for you replay.
Peter
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Reply By: Member - RUK42 (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 17:53

Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 17:53
A few year ago when I got one for the Pilbara - Gary Junction Rd it had this phone number on the bottom - may be of use (or not)

3) If your travel plans have changed significantly, your travel permit dates may be adjusted by contacting the Permits Officer on 9235 8000

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Reply By: CSeaJay - Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 18:41

Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 18:41
I would not worry about it if I was you. You did the right thing in applying, IF you are aksed you should be alright to show yuor application adsay it is probably in the mail.
The conditions on these permits are almost impossible to follow. From memory the time we had to complete the NT section according to the permit was far less than what we actually took.
Oh and in answer to your other question, I dont know what your penalty will be because I do not know anybody who has been asked. No jail though :-)
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 16:53

Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 16:53
WA Aboriginal Land Trust Policy and Guidelines document extract ...

It is an offence to enter or remain within the boundaries of a proclaimed reserve
without a Permit, which could result in penalties of:
? $1,000 and imprisonment for 9 months for a first offence; and
? $5,000 and imprisonment for 12 months for a second or subsequent offence.

On the WA side you'll be going through reserves and maybe leasehold land.
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Reply By: Member - Danny C3 - Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 19:44

Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 19:44
Straight to hell...!!!!!
How dare you drive on a road that your (and mine) taxes have paid for...shame on you..
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Follow Up By: Member - MARIC - Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 21:57

Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 21:57
Ha ha ... lol
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 02:26

Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 02:26
Yeah, you pay state and federal taxes don't you? Walk into any school and hospital you feel like.
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Reply By: splits - Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 19:56

Thursday, Aug 03, 2017 at 19:56
I applied for one in Alice Springs four years ago. It took one week to get it. The NT one was the same day.

While driving out on the road, I got stopped by police in the middle of nowhere about 150 ks from the WA border. I had not seen another car for hours. I thought they would want to see my permit but no, they wanted to give me a breath test. I passed that with flying colours then stood beside their car in the centre of the road for fifteen minutes talking about travelling. We then waved goodbye and I was on my way again. Things are a bit different out there.
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Reply By: Sigmund - Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 15:55

Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 15:55
On the NT side you apply online with the CLC and the permit is issued straight away by email.

On the WA side allow 3 weeks. The officer is Joan Groves. By all means call her if you haven't allowed enough time.

You are going through Aboriginal freehold lands and lands reserved for Aboriginal groups by act of parliament. It is only courtesy, not to mention legally required, that you get permission. Or would you be happy for me to pitch my tent in your backyard without asking?

Local communities welcome your spending as a boost to the economic life of the area. Council rates on businesses help provide services. Councils do the road maintenance out there in WA. Don't know about NT.
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Follow Up By: Member - RUK42 (QLD) - Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 16:48

Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 16:48
Agree 100%
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Follow Up By: Member - Danny C3 - Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 07:45

Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 07:45
Yes you certainly don't want people pitching tents and leaving a mess every where without permission..ever been to Canberra??
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 08:37

Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 08:37
Yeah, outrageous.

Settler Australians took Aboriginal lands, massacred those who resisted, in numerous cases took their wages and their kids and in some cases created a labour regime like slavery - and they have the nerve to protest!
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 13:41

Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 13:41
Can't think of a country where similar or worse has'nt happened. Does'nt make it right by any means but let's not start thinking it only happened here.

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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 14:10

Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 14:10
Or that that therefore justifies complacency.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 14:23

Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 14:23
Did you not see "Does'nt make it right by any means" ? I agree we can't be complacent but get sick to death of the same old arguments trotted out every time somebody thinks there has been a slight on the indigenous community. Time to get over it and move on.

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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 17:01

Saturday, Aug 05, 2017 at 17:01
You're moving on by making another post. Hmm.
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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Sunday, Aug 13, 2017 at 22:17

Sunday, Aug 13, 2017 at 22:17
When we applied for the permits for the Gary Junction Road we allowed more than six weeks. The NT permits were issued immediately online, the WA permits took up to six weeks and weren't issued as a block but sporadically (three vehicles were travelling together).

Joan Groves was the person that issued the permits but she was away for her reasons and nobody else was authorised to issue the permits. That's how it is.

Steve.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:17

Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 04:17
Steve, see post 612854.
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Reply By: Sigmund - Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 17:48

Friday, Aug 04, 2017 at 17:48
Just for the benefit of others it would appear that for the WA side you can also apply direct to the Ngaanyatjarra Council - 7 days turnaround is indicated.

See the website

A map outlining permit types for Ngaanyatjarra lands can be accessed HERE
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, Aug 06, 2017 at 10:07

Sunday, Aug 06, 2017 at 10:07
We are travelling through to Surveyor Generals Corner from Kalgoorlie, and then on to Uluru later this month. Applied for Permits from the CLC, and received them by email the same day. The WA section took a little longer, a couple of weeks I think. You can nominate the length of time you need the transit permit for, even though the default is 3 days. We have nominated 7 days for each leg. Macca.
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