The dreaded Common Rail disaster
Submitted: Sunday, Aug 27, 2017 at 18:36
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Old 55
Just finishing off a great 6 week holiday in our 120 Prado 3 litre diesel in northern QLD and heading for the cold weather back
home. I was stopped at a traffic light, light changed and I put my foot down on the accelerator, Hmmm didn't want to go anywhere, started missing and blue smoke out the back. The kiss of death to the motor.
RACQ to the rescue at a little town called Gayndah but too big a job for them. RACV Total Care contacted and vehicle and caravan to be put on truck back to
Melbourne. Wife and I taxied to
Maryborough and a hire car provided to drive
home.
Would have been up a certain creek without Total Care so what a great service they provide.
Prado had 180 thou on the clock and had been serviced every 5000 and injectors replaced at 100 thou. Dual fuel filters changed every 10 thou and EG temperatures always kept below 500 degrees.
So what do you have to do to keep these common rails in one piece?
Hate to think what this will cost me but I am sure I will get no change out of $10000.
Anyone recommend and engine reconditioner in the N/E area.
Reply By: RMD - Sunday, Aug 27, 2017 at 19:20
Sunday, Aug 27, 2017 at 19:20
The common rail may have nothing at all to do with the failure. It sounds like you have split a piston crown and that happens without being common rail.
If there is suddenly blue smoke it indicates engine oil being where it shouldn't be. A relatively common issue with Toyota 3 litre engines.
I would expect your EGT temp to be always under 500C no matter what you do. The ECU should be programmed to hold it less than 500c if the probe is just after the turbo. Since the drop of temp across the turbo is around 200c that would mean around 700C leaving the cylinders. Far less is better.
I own a 3litre turbo diesel of another brand and it runs a Max of 430 on a hot day.
I presume the engine just had enough at 180,000km. Probably the common rail system has allowed it to get to those km instead of blowing beforehand.
I presume ALL the other engine systems, ie, cooling system was in perfect condition because it too has an effect on engine life. People blame common rail for many things without consideration of basic engine functions which also have to perform properly.
Nissan 3 litre engines do it too.
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Follow Up By: Old 55 - Monday, Aug 28, 2017 at 13:15
Monday, Aug 28, 2017 at 13:15
RMD. yes all systems were functioning properly and the vehicle was running
well seconds before the failure. My pyrometre is located just after the turbo in the exhaust pipe and if I let it temperatures could rise to
well over 600 but I always back off at 500. It has a Steinbaugher chip and this could
well be a major contributing factor as
well. I was towing a 2 tonne van at the time. This was my first diesel having owned 3 Landrover petrols series 1, 2 and 3 and a 60 series Tojo then an 80 series. I guess I am disappointed in the extra maintenance and servicing of the diesel compared to my old 80 series petrol that had over 280 thou and was still running like new when I sold it. I bought the Prado for the safety factor (air bags and stab control etc) and deeply regret selling the 80.
Still life goes on. Thanks for the reply.
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Follow Up By: Kilcowera Station Stay - Tuesday, Aug 29, 2017 at 06:09
Tuesday, Aug 29, 2017 at 06:09
Pretty crook when you only get 180,000 out of a diesel engine isn't it? I would expect twice that. At least. For me the days of new diesel vehicles are long over, especially Toyotas. If they not going to last what on earth are we paying all that money for? Toni
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Tuesday, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:39
Tuesday, Aug 29, 2017 at 07:39
I mentioned this to my mechanic and his opinion at first thought was the piston as
well. He's seen quite a few and reckons the injector spray pattern is faulty and not misting correctly, putting out a direct concentrated stream that acts like an oxy torch on to the top of the piston.
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Reply By: Member - cruza25 - Monday, Aug 28, 2017 at 13:56
Monday, Aug 28, 2017 at 13:56
If the car is kitted out and you intend to keep it a few more years then I would recommend a Toyota long engine replacement.
This is all new with new injectors water pump and built by Toyota.
Cost is about $8000 plus labour and misc parts. Maybe a new turbo if you get yours examined.
It’s a costly exercise on a car in the $15-20 k range but what alternative do you have.
You could try a second hand one and end up in the same boat.
Not sure how good a reconditioned one would be, you need to be sure they are thorough and highly skilled on these engines.
When you think of the price of upgrading the car to say a new or nearly new one then $8k on a new engine isn’t too bad. Just depends on the condition of the rest of it.
Good luck with what you decide.
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Follow Up By: Old 55 - Monday, Aug 28, 2017 at 14:27
Monday, Aug 28, 2017 at 14:27
Thanks Cruza I tend to agree. I was thinking about getting rid of it but the vehicle, a VX model. with lots of extras is still in top condition and a pleasure to drive. As my wife pointed out yesterday I have got 9 years and 180 thou so don't complain. just drive it and enjoy it. As the vehicle is our touring and 4wd vehicle it has done some hard work over the years. A new long engine would give me the confidence and save all the setup costs of another vehicle.
Will pull it down first to see the extent of the damage anyway.
Thanks for the reply.
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