Bottle Jack v Trolly Jack

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Can somebody tell me what type of Jack l need . We intend travelling on dirt roads for a lot of our trip...

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Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 20:25

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 20:25
What do you want to lift.

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Reply By: RMD - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 20:49

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 20:49
A trolley jack is for flat floors. If travelling you won’t be carrying a flat floor with you. A bottle jack will do many things and can be used in various positions or situations. Depending on what you have to lift, the size of the bottle jack you need will depend on the intended use.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 23:58

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 23:58
Also you can level the ground with a shovel etc to make it safer to use and place it on some marine ply to aid it's stability.
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Reply By: Member - Rod N (QLD) - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 20:54

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 20:54
Trolley jacks are not good on dirt. As they raise, the main body must be able to move on the wheels . If you look at them they usually have a label that says to only use on a solid surface.
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Reply By: Michael H9 - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:04

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:04
Bottle jack. Take some sort of jacking plate with you as well, maybe a bit of wood 300x300x50?
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:21

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:21
Yep, jacking plate vital, I carry a couple of ~ 350mm square pieces of 25mm ply, and a couple of 200mm long pieces of 4" x 3" hardwood are also handy to make a bottle jack more effective.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:13

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:13
The other type of jack to consider is a High Lift Jack.

You buy one, then spend another $60 on mounts, then carry all 20kg of awkward shape around for 4 years, then use it one day, just to justify buying it.

Then you watch as it slips over and your vehicle is sitting on the ground with a dented panel as you attend to your wounds. Then you give up and store it in your garage for 10 years.

Eventually you sell it, vowing to never buy one again and you use your $30 bottle jack in wonder of how such a small inexpensive tool can be so useful.
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Follow Up By: Hoyks - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:19

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:19
Not to mention sitting in the dentists waiting for your smile to be repaired following a handle to the face.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 08:44

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 08:44
If you are smashing teeth then you don't know how to use a High Lift Jack properly Hoyks. You need to take a leaf out of many Jeep owners books.

1)Buy a new High Lift Jack. Make sure it is a highly obvious colour.
2)Bolt it permanently to the Jeep so it looks very cool and can't be removed so as to prevent any mishaps or danger to the owner.

There you go. No Busted teeth!

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Follow Up By: Hoyks - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:02

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:02
Good point, I've only ever watched the training videos where I found out why hillbillies have the smiles they do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:08

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:08
Here is one of many training videos on youtube. Almost as much fun as the inskip point facebook page.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 14:28

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 14:28
Hi lift jacks are a very effective recovety tool
NOT
a wheel changing jack
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Reply By: Tony F8 - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:41

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 21:41
Definitely a bottle jack, apart from an easy and safe way to jack your vehicle, say you accidentally dent a panel over a wheel, they are very good for pushing them back out to, and a heck load safer than a high lift jack in the hands of the inexperienced, definitely carry a ply or similar jacking plare as mentioned.
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Reply By: Jackolux - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:00

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:00
Just make sure the bottle jack and base plate fits under what ever you need to life with a flat tyre
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:49

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:49
As per 100 series IFS Jack..Dave.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:34

Friday, Oct 20, 2017 at 22:34
We always take two, and have needed to use them in tandem. It used to be two bottle jacks, but now my husband is less mobile, we take a trolley jack although it is bulkier to carry. It is easier to slide under the start the lift.
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Reply By: swampy - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 02:38

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 02:38
hi
OH god how many bottle jacks can the poor fella fit in .......HA HA HA HA LOL

What did the car have for a factory jack ??
Try to purchase that type from a wreckers with the special tools for it .

An after market has to be better than the original .
If the original does not work for u make sure the replacement works, stable and high enough to get the wheels easily free wheeling .

Don't forget a base plate .
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Reply By: Erad - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 06:52

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 06:52
A 12V electric jack! You can buy them from fleabay. I have a 2 Tonne electric jack because I have trouble breathing when I have to stoop down and pump the hydraulic jack handle. With the electric jack, it is a case of press a button. The box says 2 Tonnes and I have jacked my Pajero with it no problems. Not a bad price either...

The jack is a scissor jack, so it closer resembles the original car jack as well. I once had a problem with a trolley jack in that I could not get the lifting point clese enough to the ptoper jacking point on the lower suspension arm because the bulge in the flat tyre spread too far and the jack's wheels got in the way. The scissor jack gets in much closer.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:07

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:07
Agree, especially if age and flexibility is an issue.



Make sure it's a quality product like the 2000kg model on this page:

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I swapped the plug on the end for an Anderson Plug. I have an Anderson Plug on my van's drawbar using the van's batteries and on the front and rear of my Cruiser using its batteries.

The jack is very easy to use. Use a jack plate too.
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Follow Up By: William P - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:47

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:47
I would be wary of them - ok at low heights but as you get higher the vehicle puts side loads on them that they cannot handle. I have had my vehicle come off them due to the meshing teeth at the bottom failing.

This was in the garage on a flat concrete floor with the car perfectly horizontal at the start - was not on rough ground. I used to have pics of the damaged jack but with the demise of photobucket they have been lost.

In my view these are not a safe jack where high lift heights are desired.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:59

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:59
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 15:54

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 15:54
In reality most are in general only ever using jacks when 4wdn to lift one wheel, well 95% of the time if you don't include air bag jacks to assist in bogs.

These would be fairly stable if used with that good jacking plate, and a suitable thickness block of solid timber on top, to enable the jack to contact axle or front wishbone etc soon after raising.

Always better to go under the diff housing or wishbone type of position, lifting the suspension immediately, rather than going under chassis or sill etc, where it takes a lot of movement to take up suspension movement.
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Monday, Oct 23, 2017 at 09:26

Monday, Oct 23, 2017 at 09:26
Yep...I carry that exact 12v electric one...only used for wheel jacking...perfect for under the 'van....and like Stephen I converted the plug to an Anderson plug with outlets on van and vehicle..........

I also made an adapter that means it can still be used on a cig lighter outlet in case I need to lend a hand to a fellow traveller and cannot for some reason get my vehicle close enough for my Anderson plug outlet.to help them.....in that case simply use their outlet for power.

I also carry two bottle jacks....one a traditional height one and one a squat one so I can get low under the jacking point under a flat wheel...sometimes needed to get started and then change to the jack to get clearance to actually change the wheel
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 23:54

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 23:54
I saw these electric jacks a while ago and thought I would get one sometime great idea. I had a KCI electric impact wrench it lasted about 5yrs and was used a reasonable amount it's a good piece of gear no struggling to loosen or tighten wheel nuts. When it finally stopped working I purchased an identical impact wrench from 4WDsupercentre a couple of yrs ago it's still working. Nothing like doing things easier as you get older.
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 08:30

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 08:30
It would be good if the OP answered my first reply, what is he trying to lift?
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 08:49

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 08:49
Gday
Take the best jack you can afford and hope you never have to use it .
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Reply By: Member - Hobbsie - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:02

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:02
My tug is a 100 series Toyota towing a 2 ton Caravan.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:12

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:12
The original factory jack supplied with the 100 series is more than suitable for the truck & van.
Don’t forget suitable jacking ‘plates/bases’ for soft soil country.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 21:56

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 21:56
The original jack works OK on the IFS provided the tyre is not flat. If it's flat it's useless.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Sunday, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:27

Sunday, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:27
Thats crazy that if the tyre is flat, you cant get the supplied jack under a suitable jacking point.
What I'd do ....'drive' onto the spare wheel or the sidewall of the spare, that will give you extra clearance to fit jack under, wind jack up off spare wheel, change wheel & lower jack.....easy as!
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Sunday, Oct 22, 2017 at 21:27

Sunday, Oct 22, 2017 at 21:27
Yep that's what we've been doing for the last 15 years.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 14:37

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 14:37
my 100 series jack went in the bin as soon as the accessories started to be installed. No way I'd trust it under a 3t loaded truck.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 19:52

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 19:52
Be interested to know what you use under the IFS Malcom.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 06:13

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 06:13
Hi Dave
Just a much bigger hydraulic bottle jack that can carry about 6-8 tonnes - can't remember its rating exactly but it still fits in the factory bottle storage location.
Also carry a few chunks of 30mm timber to place under it in soft ground or for more height etc.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 07:45

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 07:45
In general you will only be using this to lift one corner of your vehicle, even if 2 flats you'd be doing thess one at a time.
Having something of a 2t or so rating is more than ample, expect with van weights there would be no need for more capacity.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 09:11

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 09:11
in an ideal world yes. Hopefully you don't ever need to jack up the entire rear, say from mid diff...
Whatever works for you.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue M - Monday, Oct 30, 2017 at 01:03

Monday, Oct 30, 2017 at 01:03
Les you are correct in what you say about a 2 tonne should be plenty. When I bought my jack I got a 12 tonne. The reason I did this is, I only have to put minimal effort in to get it up.
I found it much easier in my weakened physical state.
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Reply By: Bob R4 - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:07

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:07
Along with a bottle jack ( I carry 2 - 1 hydraulic the other screw) I also carry a Bull Bag, which is an inflatable bag which can be slid under when there is no room for anything else. It's inflated by exhaust gas pressure an allows room to get a bottle jack under. They're also incredibly handy for bogs as you can move your vehicle quite a way and walk them out of the bog. Soft sand or mud makes no difference.
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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 10:24

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 10:24
Hobsie
If you are going the hydraulic bottle way spend the dollars and buy a two stage jack.
Make sure the closed height will slide under the jacking point with a flat tyre and the extended height will lift the vehicle high enough to put an inflated tyre back on the studs.
Masada have a model that will do this HPD4NG.
I use a Hi-lift (brand) with a webbing sling accessory when it is impossible to fit a bottle jack under a jacking point. I have no bruises and have all my teeth.
Also the hi-lift has been used to lift 500mm diameter trees with a chain to allow a winch rope to fit under the trunk to drag it to the side.
In the US alone statisics state that almost 5000 people have jack accidents including death each year and 98% is operator error/incompetence.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:19

Monday, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:19
The Massda HPD4NG 2 stage telescopic hydraulic is what I also use. Low enough to fit under and extends enough to lift the tyre clear. Without dodgy blocks etc.
Not available in every store but Google found a local dealer.

I dumped the High Lift jack after 10 years of non-use. Wanted to shed weight.
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Follow Up By: HKB Electronics - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:17

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:17
Thanks for that Allan, I have been looking for a jack for awhile that is low profile enough to get under the axle of my van with a flat tire, one of their low profile ones should suit perfectly.

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Reply By: Mikee5 - Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:53

Saturday, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:53
Hava a look at the Trail-a-mate hydraulic jockey wheel. It comes with weld on jacking points for the caravan.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 15:53

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 15:53
My 2 stage hydraulic jack is also a part of my bead breaker.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 18:01

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 18:01
Mine too Peter. Works a treat does'nt it?
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 20:21

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 20:21
Anyone else old enough to remember Lightburn jacks?

Made in South Australia as I recall, and were fitted to Bedford trucks. They made a smaller 2 stage jack, about 125mm high, that was the perfect jack for light vehicles and 4wds.

Made a half decent washing machine too, but too simple for the modern home of the 21st century.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 22:57

Tuesday, Oct 24, 2017 at 22:57
Ah yes Bob. I knew Lightburns well.
They made good hydraulic jacks. Workshop presses too.

They also made concrete mixers and I think their washing machine was based on that. They were simple and worked....... for a time!

Another product was the Zeta (?) car. Rather like the Goggomobil. Lightburn was an innovator and produced a fibreglass body for the Zeta in the 1960's..
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 06:55

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 06:55
Why did I forget the cement mixers Allan? Have one down the back yard that I acquired and disposed of the horrible Briggs 'n Stratton and fitted an electric motor.

Yeah, the Zeta! Did you ever see a Bolwell Nagari, Allan? Horrible name but looked good and Ford running gear.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 22:40

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Ah yes, the Nagari.
A mid-life crisis. I was saving up for one but they disappeared before I got there.
Then I met Roz......... and the Nagari didn't matter any more!!
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Oct 26, 2017 at 06:46

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Delightful anecdote, Allan!

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Reply By: Batt's - Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 00:03

Wednesday, Oct 25, 2017 at 00:03
The old 2 ton wind up bottle jack has always been a reliable piece of gear.
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Reply By: Member - Hobbsie - Thursday, Oct 26, 2017 at 17:29

Thursday, Oct 26, 2017 at 17:29
Thank you all for your comments re Bottle Jack V Trolley Jack.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Thursday, Oct 26, 2017 at 23:00

Thursday, Oct 26, 2017 at 23:00
Bit of an epic thread you created Hobbsie :D
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