Jump Start dual battery via dash switch
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Top End Az
I have done some reading on here and elsewhere on info looking at using the Redarc isolator/VSR in my Dmax to jump start off my second battery in
the tub via a momentary push button, but there seems to be some conflicting info.
I know people may say why bother for the odd time you need it; I'd like to have the functionality of it as I've been caught twice on interstate road trips in the middle of nowhere, and having to unpack the whole back of the ute to disconnect the rear battery and all my other accessories and jumpstart (I use a Century marine pro, not an AGM), I’d rather just use a switch. My jumper leads aren’t long enough to reach from the rear to the starter.
I'm not that techy, but I see there is the blue wire coming off the isolator with a spade connector on it which is supposed to be used for the override function. There seems to be arguments on how to wire it up, and whether to use a fuse and what cable sizing. This is where I need some assistance by those in the know. Any recommended wiring diagrams would also be appreciated.
Reply By: RMD - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 12:08
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 12:08
Top End
You do not need to unpack anything in the rear if you have a VSR or a normal continuous duty solenoid.
A jumper lead across the VSR main terminals will connect the aux battery to the front IF you need to.
Alternatively, for only when you need such a function, you can fit a Battery isolator switch across the VSR with two leads, one going to either side of the VSR. That will provide a definite supply as it locks both systems together. Open bonnet, turn KEY on bat heavy switch and all is ready.
Even if you use either method, the return negative line from the rear battery has to be large enough to supply the current or else nothing will operate properly.
I use a normal constant duty solenoid and have the system lock itself or I select and it drops out when ign turned off. That allows an in cab jump start anyway.
I also use the Batt Isolator so the solar, can if required, be connected to main battery to maintain it too.
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Follow Up By: Top End Az - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 12:25
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 12:25
Thanks I will
check it out. Yeah I didn't know the Redacr isolator had this functionality already until recently. Would have been handy to know on the side of the road.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 14:38
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Hi Az,
As you already have a Redarc SBI-12 isolator in the engine bay, all you need is to connect a momentary pushbutton to its blue wire with the other side to earth. When you press the button the SBI will close and join your two batteries together.
BUT.... you need to consider the current that has to flow from the aux battery to the starter. Starters typically draw
well over 100 Amps.... just look at the size of the cable from your cranking battery to the starter..... it would be at least 20mm2 even for that short distance. You would need at least that size (and preferably 32mm2) for the distance between your aux battery in
the tub and the SBI in the engine bay. Together with a fuses or circuit breakers of at least 100A capacity (maybe more) at each end. If the cable is too small it will be unable to supply sufficient current to crank the engine or even worse will overheat and possibly catch fire.
This assumes that your cranking battery is at a very low state-of-charge and the aux battery will be contributing all of the starter current. In reality, the cranker may just be too low to effect a start but will seek some contribution from the aux battery which then will not need to supply such a large current, in which case you may get away with a smaller cable.......... but can you be sure of that before the smoke rises?
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Follow Up By: Top End Az - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 15:08
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 15:08
Hi Allan. Appreciate putting a response together for us. Yeah my nephew did the dual battery install so not sure on the size of the wire to the auxl I'll have a look at it tonight, but it's the points you raise that had me wondering if I have sufficient capacity in the wiring to consider this as an option.
And thanks for confirming the wiring at the SBI end of things; I was pretty sure thats all you had to do for that end of things.
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Follow Up By: Dean K3 - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 15:59
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 15:59
Simple
check if your wires are type that would be used to power up a fridge or lights ie <6 mm then its far too light duty to allow for current required.
Ideally something as a rough guide 16mm2 upwards about same size as my little finger ( a very subjective sizing guide) is starting to get there -
winches and starter motors will usually use 35mm2 cable (figure I see quoted fair bit)
I have a linking button on my national luna smart solenoid I have learned hard way not to push this button when trying to 2nd battery jump start -blew the internal circuit breaker non repairable item.
I would hope the redarc doesn't have this feature for reliability reasons, reading of the technical info suggest it doesn't
I use a pair of jumper leads across from one battery to another is I need to do a emergency start
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 17:44
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2017 at 17:44
I have a RedArc 2 way 200A VSR that is quite a few years old.
It is close to the crank battery and connected to the house batteries by a 70mm2 (huge) cable (it is 6 or 7m long) with 200A fuses at each end. I use a chassis earth return.
I have wired the earth wire to a switch in the cab. I normally leave it OPEN, so the VSR is not operating.
I also wired the "momentary push button" to an on/off switch, also in the cab.
So now I can use the VSR as intended, leave it non operational or lock it closed.
This lets me use the alternator to charge the house batteries or the solar to charge the crank, use the house to help power the winch (at the front) or the alternator to help power the winch (when it is at the rear) or use the house to crank the engine (or just help when the Perky is hard to start in sub zero temperatures).
This has been 100% successful. We once had a crank battery die on a trip and waited a couple of months until we got
home before buying another.
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome
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