Ford Ranger advise

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 18:13
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Have friends looking at purchasing a new Ford Ranger 3.2 five cylinder six speed auto. Probably a 2017 Model.

What they plan to do with it.

Take off the Tub and put on a aluminum pod on the back . Duel spare wheels. 2 extra batteries, etc

How will they go charging with standard alternator? DC/DC required i guess?

Talked to a guy who has a 2016/2017 model. Plugs in his fridge and the electronics go into melt down. Not sure if he said limp home mode or what the exact issue was. He said it has happened multiple times.

Interested in any known issues.

I'm thinking with the extra weight they will have issues with the rear suspension if not the front as well. What options are available for upgrading this?

Thanks for your help.

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Reply By: Member - PhilD_NT - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 18:49

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 18:49
Sounds like they should have this done.
http://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12.php
GVM increases to 3500 & GCM goes to 7000 (currently 3200 & 6000).
Before anyone says that this can't be done, please read all of Lovells details and argue with them not me. There is also a more complete document floating around on some other Forum/Topic but I don't have it on this computer but will find it if wanted.
This does not take away the arguments about loading a twin cab ute with so much weight behind the axle and the possibility of bending the chassis.
BTW, my kit is on order but I'm really only interested in the GVM part as the van is well under needing the GCM part.
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Follow Up By: Member - PhilD_NT - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 23:25

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 23:25
Confirmation of the above, if you wlll excuse the link to another Forum. If you follow the 2nd message to another Topic though you will find plenty of robust discussion on this subject.
http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71493
Also, I have obtained an email from our NT MVR people to confirm their acceptance.
"In reply to your below copied query in red, I can confirm there are federally approved Lovell’s Suspension GVM increase kits for the PX Ranger available through TJM which can be either installed prior to first registration via a Second Stage of Manufacture (SSM) arrangement OR installed in service (after first registration) via a VS24(h) form submitted to MVR by the installer (in this case TJM Darwin).

The upgrade is acceptable to the department and does not pose any limitation to future registration or inspections".
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 23:57

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 23:57
SSM is the way to go on a new vehicle, as it can later be registered in any other state or territory, and still retain the GVM status.

When taking delivery of new vehicle, just check, that "they" have the correct GVM on the paperwork.

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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:05

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:05
Same Sex Marriage on a new vehicle? Well, it's legal. And is registered around Australia, I guess.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:59

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:59
Second stage manufacture
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2018 at 20:27

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2018 at 20:27
I knew that ;-)
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Reply By: Idler Chris - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 19:12

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 19:12
Sounds like this vehicle is going to be carrying a lot of weight. You can upgrade most components but you cannot upgrade the most important component which is the chassis. Compare a Ranger chassis with a D-Max chassis there is a big difference.

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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 19:58

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 19:58
I agree, at initial glace they are thinking standard suspension will be fine as rated to 1 tonne but as we all know, it soon adds up.
Thanks for the reply.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 06:48

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 06:48
You can upgrade the chassis, and it is something well worth considering.
There are mobs around that strengthen the chassis but I don't know their names.
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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:29

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:29
Why buy this class of car if your going to spend a fortune upgrading it. Just buy a patrol or cruiser in the first place.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:11

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:11
Maybe, because they break too!

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Follow Up By: Member - PhilD_NT - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:50

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:50
"Why buy this class of car if your going to spend a fortune upgrading it. Just buy a patrol or cruiser in the first place".

Not everybody wants a wagon 4x4. I had one for 40 years and I didn't want another one.

If you look at the starting price of LC's you can add a lot to just about any of the twin cabs and still not get to the LC starting price. Then you have the payload capacity of much of the twin cabs as against the LC. Loaded up with the same accessories, same number of passengers, their gear then see which of the Ranger or LC exceeds their GVM first. The LC has a higher GVM but has a higher starting weight to start with. Likely that a fully loaded and accessorised LC will need to have a GVM upgrade anyway on top of their base price. I gather that even the towbar and wiring on an LC is optional. Fitted out as my Ranger is it's still far cheaper than what the LC alternative would have been, not that that was the reason for my choice. If there are still any limitations then I can live within them.

For me the LC only has the advantage of Dealer availability. Most towns have a Toyota Dealer but my closest alternate Ford Dealer is Alice Springs and then Mt Isa.
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Follow Up By: 76lifted - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 14:42

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 14:42
nuthin wrong with a cruiser my uncles got a vdj79 and that poor car still lives despite alot of abuse
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:04

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:04
Yes, the D-Max is shorter and not as robust.

It is NOT the same as the Isuzu trucks and it is not heavier than the Ranger. It is, however a good vehicle.
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Reply By: RMD - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 19:57

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 19:57
Are you asking for advice or advising us. Not sure there.
With a DUAL wheel setup it will stress the chassis if they are on the back of the canopy. Bending of chassis may occur if the suspension ever bottoms over dips.
I can’t see how connecting a fridge will cause limp mode. You don’t know what the other bloke has done to his so dismiss that comment.
The Smart, ( read dumb) alternator feature which hardly charges the battery should be switched off by the dealer before anything else.

Too much weight, read leverage of the weight bending chassis, is to be researched before adding a pod which may contain real heavy stuff.
If going off road, the rear suspension should be made to hold the vehicle higher so there is sufficient travel to absorb the mass movement over rough stuff without bottoming. The shocks would have to be improved too.
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Reply By: splits - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 21:28

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 21:28
I'm thinking with the extra weight they will have issues with the rear suspension if not the front as well. What options are available for upgrading this?
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You could be right. Weight is one thing but if any chassis damage occurs it will be because of mass and the forces imposed on the chassis as the far end of it has to suddenly lift the mass sitting on it or stop it suddenly when it falls.

The only suspension upgrade that will fix that is the one that picks up heavy items down the back and moves them further forward. The aftermarket companies are still working on that one.

If the car is a dual cab and there is just two of them traveling on their own then a lot of loading problems can be solved by using the back seat area. That area has been designed to carry three large people which means a load of close to 300 kg. This can't be ignored when loading dual cabs up to their maximum.

This may involve using an engineer approved bolted in cradle of some kind that could carry one or maybe both of the wheels plus the batteries and a lot of other things.

Another point regarding load is manufacturers usually recommend reducing loads as the road conditions deteriorate. The maximums are for good sealed roads only.

I had a ball driving one of these on mountain tracks in the north of Victoria during my National Service days. 6X6 Despite their size and weight, they were rated at 2 1/2 tons maximum by Studebaker, not the Army. That was the maximum they could reliably carry in the worst conditions they were ever likely to encounter.

The same restrictions apply to cars in off road conditions today and the number that have broken chassis, axle housings, axles, wheel studs etc in the bush would suggest the manufacturers are not kidding.
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 21:48

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 21:48
If they can, go single or space cab
Two spares is going to be heavy but 2 batteries is overkill. Get a solar panel
Most of the Ranger electrical problems have sorted out in the latest model, or so
Ford tells me. I would go DC-DC charger though
Exploding into flames may be an issue if you go offroad.
No matter what anyone tells you a GVM upgrade will be a minefield if a warranty claim comes up
This is my D-Max setup. All under standard GVM
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Reply By: gbc - Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 21:54

Sunday, Jan 21, 2018 at 21:54
Get onto newranger.net and talk to actual owners. On the px2 you are looking at the dealer can enable ‘dual battery mode’ which brings the alternator back to a constant 14.5v so you can decide if you want a dcdc or standard isolator setup. Aluminium canopies are literally everywhere for them. If you are planning on carrying significant weight permanently you will definitely need springs and shocks. Mine is old man emu front and rear. I recommend it.
Mine is 5 yo this year and 120kms. It carries load and tows commercial equipment and play gear. No problems. Don’t worry about bending anything unless you are going outside factory capacities. Only idiots bend cars.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 06:51

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 06:51
There must be plenty of idiots then.
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 07:38

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 07:38
" There must be plenty of idiots then. "

Yep - and these same idiots seem to blame the vehicle ( whatever it may be ) when they overload it with poorly distributed weight and then drive faster than conditions allow !

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Follow Up By: gbc - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:01

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:01
Rough figures, there’s approx 1/4 million px rangers (3000 a month for 7 years) been sold in this country. Then there’s the bt50. How many bent ones can you find? Put your money where your mouth is for once Gronk. The ones I’ve seen like the BT50 on Fraser with the moronically extended tow hitch and the heavy van which hit the back end on something so hard it blew a tyre don’t count, because they’re in my idiot pile. You need to find any which were within spec and not subject to impact damage.
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Follow Up By: Member - mechpete - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:30

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:30
think you will find the latest Ranger can,t not be reconfigured as far as the alternator is concerned ,ford has locked it out
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:55

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:55
Pete, the latest ranger can have dual battery mode activated but you must have dual batteries or they won't activate it.
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Follow Up By: Member - mechpete - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 16:09

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 16:09
oh ok
its hard keeping up with the l GIZMOS
cheers mechpete
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 18:30

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 18:30
" oh ok
its hard keeping up with the l GIZMOS "

mechpete - read the thread 2 above this one - 136137

Not just Rangers.

Most modern vehicles have this so called modern technology whether the buyer wants it or not - and it's only going to get worse !


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Reply By: Member - Cyberess - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 16:45

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 16:45
This sounds like my exact build with a base model cab chassis with the exception, mine is a 6 speed manual, and only one extra battery. What's nice with the base model is it comes with vinyl floors, and still has a factory rear electrical diff lock

I have documented my setup over on 4x4Earthhttp://4x4earth.com/forum/index.php?threads/my-mk2-ford-ranger-2016.40913/

An example of what I have documented
* TJM XGS Suspension Lift Upgrade
* The style of bullbar used
* The Dual battery setup with solar setup
* Custom Canopy Alloy with side Gull Wing doors
* The Winch setup
* Tyre selection
* The high clearance tow bar -- why not to go with the factory tow bar
* The alternator setup and where to find information
* The Stereo and android navigation upgrade
* plus more and feel free to ask questions

I have to say it's the best 4WD vehicle I have ever owned, done plenty of towing of a tandem caravan, plenty of grade 5 4wd trips with the Topend 4WD Club.

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Follow Up By: gbc - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 18:35

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 18:35
I have the factory optional rear grader (tow) bar on mine. What were they thinking? I’m kind of used to it now.
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Reply By: Member - Outback Gazz - Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 21:23

Monday, Jan 22, 2018 at 21:23
I'm surprised no members of the EO GOF club haven't picked up on the " advise V advice " in the heading.. lol

Happy and safe travels

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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 06:44

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 06:44
We're 'aving the week orf, Gazz. Straya Day, Strine 'n all that stuff, ya no?

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 07:41

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 07:41
Read the 3rd Reply by RMD.

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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 18:58

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 18:58
Not sure if RMD would rate as a "GOF", Shaker? :-)

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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:47

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:47
Even with some subtle prompting the spaling isn't reel gud. No wonder we are going backwads in Kids ejakayshun. What we learnt in primary school hasn't been retained. Just choose a word which sounds right is what is done.

I noticed the OP's two wheels to be placed on the back will be fighting each other being duel wheels.

A Nissan Dualis would have a different meaning if called a DUELIS.
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Reply By: Blown4by - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:08

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:08
To cope with the inbuilt fuel saving restrictions of the 'Smart Alternator' fitted to this, and many other vehicles today, all you need is the correct Redarc battery management system that has been designed to take account of this issue. Their website explains it all.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 19:45

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 19:45
Why Redarc? There are better and cheaper options so why Redarc?
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Follow Up By: gbc - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:55

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 20:55
Once the smart alternator is turned off you can use a normal vsr if you want.
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 19:56

Tuesday, Jan 23, 2018 at 19:56
Have seen heaps of photos of Rangers and other vehicles with broken chassis. Weight is an issue and upgrading suspension is not the issue. One of the reasons I purchased an Amarok is the strength of the chassis.
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Wednesday, Jan 24, 2018 at 20:31

Wednesday, Jan 24, 2018 at 20:31
Define "heaps" (as opposed to the thousands sold and the thousands getting about absolutely fine with rear canopies)...

Oh , and how about you restrict your comments to those incidences you actually are aware of personally? Not just "I saw it on the net" or "my brother's girlfriend's sister's auntie once saw..".
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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Thursday, Jan 25, 2018 at 13:26

Thursday, Jan 25, 2018 at 13:26
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/q-and-a/ford-ranger-cracked-chassis-7470
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Thursday, Jan 25, 2018 at 13:59

Thursday, Jan 25, 2018 at 13:59
Did you read the reply Kumunara?
"We haven't had any other reports of Rangers having this problem;''

And that was a 2008 Ranger and that was written in 2012.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Friday, Jan 26, 2018 at 07:42

Friday, Jan 26, 2018 at 07:42
Not to mention it is a completely different vehicle. The px shares nothing with the pj/pk from that era. But a great grave dig nonetheless. I hope you have a great run from your vw.
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Reply By: Ron N - Tuesday, Feb 13, 2018 at 13:49

Tuesday, Feb 13, 2018 at 13:49
Some pretty good, dual cab camper ADVICE, from the EXPERIENCED bloke, in the link below ....

https://www.campertraileraustralia.com.au/features/1508/why-ute-chassis-break

One of major overlooked issues with campers on utes is the additional WEIGHT carried at HEIGHT on the chassis.
Weight carried at an increased height only adds to the leverage exerted by that weight on the chassis rails.

Hit an unexpected sunken culvert, a washout, or even just a big dip, with a camper on a ute - and it places a huge additional strain on the chassis rails.

Cheers, Ron.
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