electric folding side mirrors
Submitted: Friday, Feb 02, 2018 at 13:13
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oz doc
Hi all, i asked this question a year or so ago with no luck but hopefully with the passage of time someone now has an answer. My problem is the side mirrors on the 08 rodeo fold out past their proper locstion EVERY TIME I TURN THE KEY ON. Started with the passenger side which we ended up disconnecting the power to. Been doing it on drivers side last 18 months. Old man holden wants a fortune for new side mirrors. Wondered if anyone has had same issue and worked out why or even solved it themselves. . Thanks, doc.
Reply By: Member - J&A&KK - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 00:29
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 00:29
Hi Oz Doc
I have exactly the same problem on a 2014 Prado - drivers side only. According to Toyota the mirror mechanism has been damaged as a result of an impact on it that has forced the mirror in a forward direction. They say this is not uncommon.
In my “discussions” with Toyota I have pointed out that there is no visual signs (scrapes, dents, gouges) on any part of the mirror and therefore the mirror is “ not fit for purpose”. All my arguments have fallen on deaf ears. The replacement cost is $950 so I have been leaning out the window and pulling the mirror into place( with an audible crunch) for the last 12 months.
There are a few posts on Pradopoint on this problem but as far as I can see there is no easy fix. Maybe the Rodeo and Prado mirrors are made by the same company.
Sorry I couldn’t be of more help. I have researched this problem for 12 months and keep arriving at the same solution - replace the mirror. I will when it stops being useable. Meanwhile keep pulling it into shape. Tedious.
Cheers
John
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Follow Up By: oz doc - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 10:42
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 10:42
Hi
John- I agree if something as benign as being knocked back in the wrong direction causes such a malfunction the the design of these mirrors are not fit for their intended purpose. I am apalled at the replacement cost and feel sure I will still be leaning out of my window to pull them back in at some stage in the future. Obviously a poor design. I have disconnected the wiring loom so that they are now manual mirrors with no indicator lights. When I have some time I may get the multimeter out and see if I can isolate the wire to the fold motor and disconnect it and then reconnect the others . Folding mirrors I can live without. Thanks, doc
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Reply By: RMD - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 13:32
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 13:32
It is the same vehicle as an Isuzu 09 / 12.
The two wires which control either out or in are: purple and the other is white, thet are reversed in polarity to wind one way or the other. Cutting one of those will render the swing control inoperative and you can have the plug in the mirror for mirror adjust and indicator too.
Those two wires connect inside the mirror base via a pad to the load control circuit board next to the pivot centre. It senses the load when fully one way, ie, stop out or the other, stop in, and cuts off power to the swing motor. When power is applied the other way it, ie, switch pressed, the unit runs until it senses the load the other way. That is what it should do.
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Follow Up By: oz doc - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 13:37
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 13:37
SUPER- thanks for that. Sounds like the purple wire is due for a snip! Ta , doc
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 14:40
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 14:40
Although Doc is heading for the snip solution (KISS), it would be interesting to measure the current draw as the motor folds IN and reaches the end position, such as 1.5A running, 2.3A stalled before shutoff. Then repeat outward and see if there is any rise in current near the desired outward position. If not, there is an end-stop that is missing or otherwise non-functional. That's a mechanical issue to address. If it DOES rise comparably then the control board sensing is amiss.
I know that's what I'd be doing. But that's just my nature.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 16:08
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 16:08
Zippo
I agree with what you stated, it is that way, but to get them apart is difficult and they have a big spring on the fold pre load ramp. Something could be broken in there BUT when apart it is almost impossible to get it back together.
There are 3 fragile plastic barbs which hold the whole thing compressed and working, if apart they won't grip again after being released from the pivot centre. I tried and gave up. Just not enough material in a confined space to do the job. The barbs round off their edges and a rounded buttress shape then won't hold it together.
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Follow Up By: oz doc - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 17:07
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 17:07
RMD - I wasn’t game to even try to pull the whole thing apart. You have confirmed my suspicion it is a one way trip. Focusing on what I ultimately want to achieve- I’ll cut the wire and be done with it. Never found having the ability to fold the mirrors in usefeul so no tears when this function is disabled. Doc
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 18:13
Saturday, Feb 03, 2018 at 18:13
Doc, I'm very much of the view that they are 90% novelty and 10% useful. They at least are less prone to impact/damage when peeps pass between cars parked at the
supermarket - which can force non-auto-fold types either in or (as *may* have happened to yours) forwards and beyond the "normal" stop.
At the end of the day, I'm happy I don't have them.
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