V8 Cruiser Ute VIC

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I have a mate from Darwin that has somehow found himself back "stranded" in Ballarat, After saying "I can never live in here again". Hi Peter :-)

Anyway, back on subject.

He is in the market for a V8 Cruiser Ute. Undecided as to single or twin cab as yet.

Can anyone post some links to the Govt auctions in Melbourne. Is there an online catalogue each week with Model, Km's etc. Can the sale price then be viewed online the following week?

He will probably go used but should he go new. Has anyone bought a single cab workmate new recently? If so, what price was it purchased at? He has a Hilux but doubt he will trade it, probably sell privately.

Thanks for your help.

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Reply By: Bobjl - Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 14:18

Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 14:18
Very easy to find Gov Auctions with Google, https://www.pickles.com.au/cars/auction/-/auctiondetails/sale_template_id/2000392

You can easily find retail prices of new Toyotas on their Web Site. Carsales will also help you learn about the market values of both Dealer and Private Seller vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 14:36

Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 14:36
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Interesting, most vehicles are quite old. The cruisers I bought from the Govt auctions in Adelaide were generally 40K 2 years old. Govt no longer selling them that quick? I know when I used to go to the auctions in Adelaide, Pickles used to sell the older vehicles and another mob used to do the newer one's, can't remember who it was now.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 15:06

Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 15:06
Ha Ha Lyndon

Reminds me of someone I knew that wanted to buy his drive work vehicle when he worked up north, and again it was the policy for no longer than 40k before selling off and a new replacement vehicle.

He approached the company and they said no, it have to be trucked to Adelaide and sold at the Auctions and he could not buy it direct himself.

As the vehicle was only ever driver by 2 people, himself and his opposite when they changed over shifts, he knew it was treaded as their own and in mint condition, with regular 5 k serve record ( he did keep the service record book himself for that very reason)

He pulled a swift with the guys in the workshop, got them to put some stuffed shockers on one side only and 5 litres of oil in the fuel tank.

There he is at the Auction waiting for his vehicle to come up and looking in good condition had a few possible people that were going to bid for it. The only visual point was that it was sagging on one side, but when they started it up, as you would suspect, it blew that much blue some, it looked like the motor was stuffed.

That was the icing on the cake for the other possible bidders, and Bob ended up getting the vehicle for a song with not one bid placed and it had to be sold. He got the vehicle home, put new shockers on it drained the fuel tank, and he had his trusted work horse as his own vehicle for song of what it was really worth.




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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 15:09

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I believe it. I know a guy who tagged out "dangerous" an expensive welder and then went and bought it at auction :-)
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Follow Up By: RMD - Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 15:31

Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 15:31
The oil in the fuel tank I can believe, but the sick shocks on one side which don't have much gas pressure anyway, wouldn't make the vehicle sag on one side. I can compress a new gas shock easily with body weight alone.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Jun 11, 2018 at 15:44

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Hi RMD

I am not sure what the workshop guys did, I just was under the impression it was shocks as what ever they did, it made one side lower than the other and did not sit level on the auction floor.

Like Bob said, the biggest factor was when they started it up and the room filled with blue smoke...just imagine the look on their faces, as with no service books they have thought the worst.



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Follow Up By: mike39 - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2018 at 08:47

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A rather naïve friend has just gone through the process of purchasing a 2011 v8 Troopy at auction in Brisbane.
Ex mine vehicle, 180000km. on the clock, his brother did the bidding by phone, went a bit overboard and it was knocked down to them for $28500. Add the sellers premium, this that and a road permit (sold unreg.) they paid a bit over $30000 in cash money.
Driving it back to NSW, noticed speedo and some other gauges not working plus it was steering all over the place.
Replacement instrument cluster, complete front end rebuild plus caster adjustment, new clutch, he is up to a $40000 vehicle cost and not trip ready yet.
I suggested he look under the intercooler to see what may be in the valley adjacent to the starter motor......chockers with crud so there may be yet another problem lurking.
Pitfalls for the unwary I think.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2018 at 20:28

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2018 at 20:28
I can believe it. Still waiting on someone in Vic to point me in the direction of the auctioneers that sell the Govt vehicles. As said, 40k 2 years is the norm.
When I was in Adelaide Pickles sold a lot of the type of vehicles you describe.
Both mine. 40K 2 years. Troopies. One was used as prison van, the other a school bus. Both like new. Better still any faults at this Auction site are listed. All vehicles still under manufactures warranty.
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Follow Up By: Bobjl - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2018 at 20:41

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Bobjl replied:

Still waiting on someone in Vic to point me in the direction of the auctioneers that sell the Govt vehicles.

Lynton as mentioned earlier - Very easy to find Gov Auctions with Google, https://www.pickles.com.au/cars/auction/-/auctiondetails/sale_template_id/2000392
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:08

Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:08
Thanks Mate. But the flogged out one's at Pickles isn't what I was looking for.
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Follow Up By: Member - cruza25 - Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 14:57

Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 14:57
The sa gov auction centre near the airport has now closed (several years ago). That was where all the good cars were sold.

Pickles now handle all fleet sales. The 40k 2year guideline has been ceased and we now usually go to 60k up to 6 years old on our fleet vehicles.

Still plenty of excellent vehicles going thru pickles, all are serviced at main dealerships to the book. Just had my work fleet hiace in for its 40k service and it had to be there overnight so they could do the valve clearances cold.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 18:48

Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 18:48
AH, now that makes sense. The "good old days" are gone. By that I don't mean they are all crap. Just much harder to get a "goodie"

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Reply By: Sir Kev - Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 13:09

Wednesday, Jun 13, 2018 at 13:09
Manheim Auctions
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 07:46

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Thanks

Certainly doesn't seem to be the 40k 2 yr Govt cars I was asking about though....
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Reply By: Member - cruza25 - Thursday, Jun 14, 2018 at 09:04

Reply By: Ron N - Monday, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:18

Monday, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:18
Lyndon - As a buyer of vehicles at auctions for myself and for the family business for probably more than 40 years, I can assure you that the "old days" of getting excellent, 2 year old, 70,000 km (40,000 mile) ex-Govt vehicles at auction are long gone.

There have been huge changes in the way Govt and Councils own and operate their vehicles in the last decade or more.

Often, the vehicles are kept much longer than 2 years. If their designated changeover date comes up and it's realised that the vehicle is still very low kms, it will be kept, or handed to another Dept to put more kms on.
Often, low km vehicles are sent to auction and if they don't make good money, they are withdrawn from sale and kept.

The auction houses now specialise in keeping prices up, they just keep passing the vehicle in - and if it still doesn't meet their idea of value, they put it up for a "fixed price sale". Naturally, that fixed price will be a top dollar figure.

Internet auctions are the worst thing ever devised. You have no idea of how many shill bidders there are, who's bidding against you, or if you are even going to win.

To top it all, the old "last-second, beat the hammer-drop" bid technique can't be used. I've won hundreds and hundreds of auctions that way, it was a real psych operation to let another buyer think they had the item, then snatch it at the last second.

Now, with internet auctions, you will find a last second bid extends the auction by up to 10 minutes - and gives other buyers time to think and make additional bids they wouldn't have done otherwise in a regular auction.

The best auctions are still the on-site auctions, with no internet bidding. Most often, company bankruptcies provide the best offerings for barely-used vehicles.

Graysonline are one of the very few auction houses that post the sale prices of their sold vehicles.
Every other auction house ensures that any genuine sale price is not advertised, and removed immediately, to keep buyers in the dark.
The only way to find actual sale prices is to attend auctions or watch them live online.
Even then, it's difficult, as the auction house will take up to 5 minutes to decide whether a vehicle will be sold, or passed in - and you don't find out unless you're a registered bidder or at the auction in person.

Unfortunately, Toyotas sell at a bigger premium to other brands, and its getting worse.
Toyota ensure this via careful control, and tight branding, image-upkeep, and slick marketing.

And the worst offenders for "premium pricing" are the Toyota 4WD's and the Landcruisers especially.

The simple problem is, with your search, it's difficult to find a Landcruiser ute that hasn't been worked in a serious manner. They're bought to work and virtually all are worked hard.

You may get lucky and find an old fella who has bought one at age 85 and who uses it for a shopping trolley - or a company has gone broke and the liquidator is selling everything as fast as they can - but even then, the big money will rapidly appear and that Landcruiser ute will bring huge money, because they simply cost so much, when new.

I have a nephew running a large earthmoving contracting business, and he has a number of single-cab Landcruiser trayback utes on the road, fully equipped with all the good gear - barwork, wide wheels, radios, extra lights, toolboxes, etc, etc - and they are costing him $109,000 fully-equipped, on the road.

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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Thursday, Jun 21, 2018 at 20:32

Thursday, Jun 21, 2018 at 20:32
Hi Ron

Thanks for your in depth reply.
The vehicles I was referring to were 40k in metric terms, so quite new.
You have certainly clarified a couple of things for us. Especially, "where are the sold prices".
They are an expensive bit of kit once all the goodies are added. Mine was 93,000
in 2005 dollars.


"You may get lucky and find an old fella who has bought one at age 85 and who uses it for a shopping trolley - or a company has gone broke and the liquidator is selling everything as fast as they can - but even then, the big money will rapidly appear and that Landcruiser ute will bring huge money, because they simply cost so much, when new."

Well not quite..............
I bought mine at 35 years of age and it only has 93,000 Kilometers on it.
Now looking at those 2 figures it has cost me a dollar for every kilometer traveled + costs.
No wonder I'm broke!

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