Just a reminder on how easy it is to get hurt !

Submitted: Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 19:36
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Friends in Simpson recently required a helicopter evac after an unusual incident with small gas 220g cannisters that can freeze quickly with use.

So please make sure any newbies with you are educated.

A seemingly empty gas can was thrown in with a bag of rubbish and everyone then sat around the campfire - one helpful camper decide to burn the rubbish bag.
Soon after the can exploded tearing the fire apart and covering more than 1 person with red hot coals.

I don't think there is any need to add more !
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Reply By: Paul E6 - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:03

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:03
Don't you just love it when some numb nuts throws rubbish into a fire - plastic, Styrofoam from meat trays, and all?
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 22:37

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 22:37
Actually, indigenous rangers in the Kimberly encourage it. Not the gas bottle though.If it can be reduced to ashes then so be it. Have you seen the amount of rubbish that has accumulated on the GRR tip?
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Follow Up By: Paul E6 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 07:18

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 07:18
They advocate the burning of plastic? Well, I guess they would know best....
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 07:41

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 07:41
Its which is lesser of the 3 evils.
1.Liter
2.Landfill
3.Air Pollution

Being out in the scrub, I think the least impact on the environment would be No:3.

World heritage sites are leave footprints only so I guess that leaves the rest to manage the white fella's waste whilst they are pouring money into the region.

The black fellas are starting to play the white fella's game to their advantage.
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Follow Up By: Paul E6 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 09:40

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 09:40
The more we emphasise our differences, the greater the gulf between peoples -but I suppose that is off topic.
You think "black fellas" - your words. -create less rubbish?

As for rubbish - pollution is pollution is pollution. Energy (rubbish ) is never lost. Landfill for the short term at least is better than burning because it can be recovered later.
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Follow Up By: Member - johnat - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 21:57

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 21:57
At least take your rubbish home with you! Rather than spoiling places you visit!
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 08:32

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 08:32
That's a bit hard to achieve johnat when touring for weeks but its still no reason to spoil the environment.
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 08:39

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 08:39
Paule,
You're entitled to your view.
There is good and bad in every race.
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Follow Up By: 3ways - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 09:06

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 09:06
If you take it in take it out. You managed to pack it into your vehicle to travel on your trip so what's so hard that you can't carry it back out?
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Follow Up By: Member - johnat - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:07

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:07
@Cruiser91,
OK, maybe not take it home, but at least take it to a tip (and maybe pay the price to dump it) just like the locals have to do.
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:01

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:01
I do Johnat,
This is being blown out of context.
Many jumping to conclusions, as usual.
But whats funny are the hell bent rubbish/pollution conservationist driving around in diesel and petrol vehicles, buying goods on a daily basis to which the manufacturing of these goods add to the pollution which they hate so much then become offended by those that burn their rubbish because there is no viable option other than to dump or carry accumulated rubbish for thousands of km's just to please others ego.
Arrrrrr, and yes, the GRR dump is a wonderful place.......must see :) I've dumped there myself and its free.
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Follow Up By: Hoyks - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:49

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:49
They are for the most part a re-arrangement of longer chain hydrocarbons, but as a general rule I don't sit for hours and warm my feet by the exhaust pipe ;-).

I'll put my hand up, I burn paper (generally to get the fire started) and if I'm a few days from a dump point I burn plastic contaminated with meat/blood as I don't like it stinking up the car or the flies. I do it at a convenient time too, not when everyone's kicking back around the fire and I avoid buying stuff on foam trays on principal.

Taking stuff to the tip doesn't magically make it disappear, its just someone elses problem until it gets buried... eventually, often getting blown around or picked through by birds and wild dogs.

Nothing hard goes into the fire and I rake through the ashes next morning (a lot don't bother) and every camp site I camp at is cleaner when I leave than when I arrive.

The only way to have zero impact on the local environment is to not go in the first place.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:43

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:43
Ok, I’ll admit it too, I burn combustible rubbish, I also burn out tins & remove them the next morning. I am also guilty of bringing out other people’s rubbish including burnt chair frames. In spite of all that, I still sleep very well at night!

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Reply By: Idler Chris - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:33

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 20:33
It is a privilege to be able to have a camp fire, why some people want to turn it into an ugly, smelly incinerator is beyond me.
On any trip I lead if you can take it in you can take it out. Not so much as a tissue in the camp fire on my trips.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 23:38

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 23:38
What is the difference between burning wood & burning paper?
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue M - Monday, Jun 18, 2018 at 00:02

Monday, Jun 18, 2018 at 00:02
Chris, you say you would not let any one burn a tissue in a fire.
Just to set my mind at ease, could you please explain why burning a tissue in a camp fire be so distasteful for you.

The only time I have ever travelled with some one was last year when I crossed the Simpson with what I would call a seasoned out back traveller.
Every afternoon I watched him consume at least 6 cans of beer and after drinking each can, he made a neat pile with them.
When the evening fire was blazing at it’s best he put the cans, any paper and other burnable stuff (not plastics of course) in the fire and they reduced to next to nothing by bed time.
The following morning the got his little rake out and dug the charred/melted cans out, stomped on them and put them into a small bag you could carry in the palm of your hand which he then put into his rubbish bag.
I never smelt anything other than wood smoke while all this was going on.

I really think some of us take things to the next level.
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Reply By: Member - willawa - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 21:51

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 21:51
When will the message get through to these people ?
It staggers me to understand why they do it.
Not to mention the cost of having to chopper them out .
Please take your rubbish out and not leave your mess for someone else to clean up
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 22:09

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 22:09
Thank you for a great reminder Robin. Good advice for newbies. I imagine that could happen easily with a group of new campers trying to be helpful.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue M - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 23:18

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 23:18
How true Boobook, It would be wonderful to be born fully educated in what should or should not happen.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:11

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:11
The countries overrun with them Blue. People who don't let their tyres down, grey nomads who don,t know how to tow or back their vans, ( A great source of entertainment for some.) a lot who can't read a map or use a GPS and those who insist on putting the white lettering on their tyres facing out. The list just goes on and on and on------.
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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 14:09

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 14:09
Whats wrong with "white" lettering facing out? Your words not mine. :)
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:23

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:23
It's a well known fact that you get a lot more punchers.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:51

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:51
Who does the punching?
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 18:49

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 18:49
The people who don,t like being criticised for having the white lettering facing out.
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Follow Up By: Hewy54 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 19:01

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 19:01
White letters facing out, well known fact?
So well known I have never heard of it.
Sounds like a load of rubbish to me.
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Follow Up By: Stevemac - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 22:29

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 22:29
Just might be wrong, here but I don’t think David is 100% serious

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Reply By: RMD - Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 23:43

Friday, Jun 15, 2018 at 23:43
By making a hole in a gas can after it is empty renders it unable to explode, any paint or spary can the same, and then perhaps into the bin.
While it is sealed it is a bomb.

In earlier days a numnut aquaintance of friends of mine was with us to shoot foxes exiting burning bracken, not much happening and so while we sat waiting for any foxes to leave, he threw a whole tray of 50 high velocity 22 calibre cartidges into the fire about 6 metres away from us.
Suddenly we were in a hail of shrapnel and flying bullets. Exciting time was had by all.

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Follow Up By: mynance - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 21:52

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 21:52
Ammunition is safe as long as it is not confined in a barrel, emergency service personal can enter burning building containing vast amounts of ammunition with thier regular protective gear.

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Reply By: Greg J1 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:29

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:29
The old “what you take in you take out” idea has been long forgotten I believe. It’s a shame to see the mess in the bush.

We were camped on the Limmen Bight River a few years ago with a newbie couple with us. The campfire had burnt down to beautiful coals and I put the bbq plate over the fire to cook some straight out of the river Barra fillets. Newbies wife then threw some plastic bags and 6 pack wrappers into the coals. I was about to lose it as she turned from the fire and flicked sand all over the hot plate with her thongs.

No amount of eye batting from a very attractive blonde lady earns forgiveness for that. The evening was just ruined.

Sorry about your friends misfortune. Could have been a very nasty incident.

Cheers Greg
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 12:10

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 12:10
I don't know Greg - I forgive cute Blondes very easily
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Follow Up By: Greg J1 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 12:39

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 12:39
Haha. They can be more trouble then they are worth !!!
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 14:12

Saturday, Jun 16, 2018 at 14:12
I know Greg J1, I have two blonde daughters. :-)
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Reply By: Member - shane r1 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 07:44

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 07:44
Has anyone else had those butane cans not work/heat in the cold morning?
I had this a few times , I don’t use them anymore.
I am presuming they thought it was empty because it was barely working, but could have been a quarter or more full still, so a bigger problem than throwing an empty can in the fire.
If you shake them like any aerosol can you should be able to feel the liquid in it so you know it’s not empty.
And that’s a bit more on topic!
Cheers and hope people get educated on this.
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Follow Up By: Hoyks - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:18

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:18
All the time. The cans contain mostly butane which has trouble vaporising when its very cool and once you start releasing pressure from the can the temperature of the liquid drops further and you get nothing.

Solutions are to sleep with a canister in the bottom of your sleeping bag or once you do get some water warmed to around 30 degrees, put it aside and stand the cold can in it to warm a bit. The can and the liquid butane soak up the heat quickly and will be back to pressure quickly.

I have seen them stood in the remains of last nights fire or in the feeble flame from the cold stove. I don't recommend either as a bit of inattention can yield spectacular results.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:20

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:20
That Chopper has been kept busy. We were out there last month and a guy with chest pain earned a Chopper evacuation from near the Lone Gum.
Chopper came out from Moomba. That was a fair trip.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 14:19

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 14:19
I was wondering where it would be based to cover the Simpson. Nice to know one exists at all. I’ve been known to have a ‘burn’ when doing 10 odd days away from facilities and dingos are around, so I’m in that glass house. Not a lot of other options with food scraps. I clean up the leftovers out of the fire and bin them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:27

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:27
Yes, same here. Collect the clean burnt out tin cans in the morning and put them in a canvas rubbish bag.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:51

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:51
Yes Phil , this helicopter also came from Moomba taking the injured to Birdsville !
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:30

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:30
Yes, transported to Birdsville too - the chap with chest pain was observed for a night at the Birdsville Hospital, found to be OK and released to the caravan park.
I think the chopper just had enough fuel to go Moomba to the Desert and then to Birdsville.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:33

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 15:33
Empty Butane cans are a major issue - it wouldn't bother me if they banned them. We use a Coleman Shellite stove because it works better in the cold and you just top up the fuel with shellite or ULP.

But people really need to think about what rubbish, particularly plastic they take into the desert. Apart from Cryovac bags, I can't think of any other plastics that are actually useful. Especially polystyrene - should never take that away.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 16:01

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I had a Coleman stove for 20 odd happy years. One night for no particular reason, the stuffing box around the ‘up to light’ lever decided to leak half way through cooking dinner, spraying fuel directly onto the flame. Panick ensued, the fire extinguisher was deployed and I somehow managed to forget to remove the pan with the steaks prior to filling it with powder, so no dinner. Coleman were zero help in replacing the bits so it got binned after a year or two in the shed. I’m a ‘gas man’ now haha. Still got the dual fuel light around somewhere but LED lead lights have made it pretty much surplus to requirement now.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:35

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:35
I still like it! They were a solid bit of gear.
Mine leaked near that lever once too, I vague remember having to tighten something to fix it.
Had a mate who had a really really old Coleman stove and I think to fix a seal he had to find some sort of teflon thread to wrap around somewhere. That was about 15 years ago. He used to say it never cost him anything for fuel - he'd just go around the ULP bowsers at the servo and tip out the dregs left from others - I think he was having me on!!
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Follow Up By: Member - ACD 1 - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:56

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 20:56
Quite possibly not Phil.

Before console controlled bowsers - the local servo unwittingly supplied the odd few litres of fuel to power the motorbike during Uni days.

They would turn the pumps off at night but not padlock the handles to the bowser. Each hose held nearly 2 litres of fuel.

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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 16:16

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 16:16
Yes an unfortunate ACCIDENT, not deliberate.
We are not all educated in what may happen.
I too am one of those that will burn constables when it is warranted. As for cans they are crushed to reduce size and carried to the next rubbish disposal
The word is slowly getting around re our waste but very slowly.
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 16:25

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 16:25
"I too am one of those that will burn constables when it is warranted."

Maybe this should be in the speeding fines thread. Lol

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Reply By: Baz - The Landy - Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 21:17

Sunday, Jun 17, 2018 at 21:17
At the risk of getting away from the topic of the thread, but rubbish management starts before you leave home. Remove all packaging and put stores into reusable containers before you head out the front gate.

Works for us...

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Follow Up By: Member - Trouper (NSW) - Monday, Jun 18, 2018 at 13:00

Monday, Jun 18, 2018 at 13:00
Totally the best thing to do Baz. We (I mean the chief/chef) always strips away all packaging where possible and places in reusable containers. Its also surprising the amount of space you can save.

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