Just a reminder on how easy it is to get hurt !

Actually, indigenous rangers in the Kimberly encourage it. Not the gas bottle though.If it can be reduced to ashes then so be it. Have you seen the amount of rubbish that has accumulated on the GRR tip?

They advocate the burning of plastic? Well, I guess they would know best....

Its which is lesser of the 3 evils.
1.Liter
2.Landfill
3.Air Pollution

Being out in the scrub, I think the least impact on the environment would be No:3.

World heritage sites are leave footprints only so I guess that leaves the rest to manage the white fella's waste whilst they are pouring money into the region.

The black fellas are starting to play the white fella's game to their advantage.

The more we emphasise our differences, the greater the gulf between peoples -but I suppose that is off topic.
You think "black fellas" - your words. -create less rubbish?

As for rubbish - pollution is pollution is pollution. Energy (rubbish ) is never lost. Landfill for the short term at least is better than burning because it can be recovered later.

At least take your rubbish home with you! Rather than spoiling places you visit!

That's a bit hard to achieve johnat when touring for weeks but its still no reason to spoil the environment.

Paule,
You're entitled to your view.
There is good and bad in every race.

If you take it in take it out. You managed to pack it into your vehicle to travel on your trip so what's so hard that you can't carry it back out?

@Cruiser91,
OK, maybe not take it home, but at least take it to a tip (and maybe pay the price to dump it) just like the locals have to do.

I do Johnat,
This is being blown out of context.
Many jumping to conclusions, as usual.
But whats funny are the hell bent rubbish/pollution conservationist driving around in diesel and petrol vehicles, buying goods on a daily basis to which the manufacturing of these goods add to the pollution which they hate so much then become offended by those that burn their rubbish because there is no viable option other than to dump or carry accumulated rubbish for thousands of km's just to please others ego.
Arrrrrr, and yes, the GRR dump is a wonderful place.......must see :) I've dumped there myself and its free.

They are for the most part a re-arrangement of longer chain hydrocarbons, but as a general rule I don't sit for hours and warm my feet by the exhaust pipe ;-).

I'll put my hand up, I burn paper (generally to get the fire started) and if I'm a few days from a dump point I burn plastic contaminated with meat/blood as I don't like it stinking up the car or the flies. I do it at a convenient time too, not when everyone's kicking back around the fire and I avoid buying stuff on foam trays on principal.

Taking stuff to the tip doesn't magically make it disappear, its just someone elses problem until it gets buried... eventually, often getting blown around or picked through by birds and wild dogs.

Nothing hard goes into the fire and I rake through the ashes next morning (a lot don't bother) and every camp site I camp at is cleaner when I leave than when I arrive.

The only way to have zero impact on the local environment is to not go in the first place.

Ok, I’ll admit it too, I burn combustible rubbish, I also burn out tins & remove them the next morning. I am also guilty of bringing out other people’s rubbish including burnt chair frames. In spite of all that, I still sleep very well at night!

What is the difference between burning wood & burning paper?

Chris, you say you would not let any one burn a tissue in a fire.
Just to set my mind at ease, could you please explain why burning a tissue in a camp fire be so distasteful for you.

The only time I have ever travelled with some one was last year when I crossed the Simpson with what I would call a seasoned out back traveller.
Every afternoon I watched him consume at least 6 cans of beer and after drinking each can, he made a neat pile with them.
When the evening fire was blazing at it’s best he put the cans, any paper and other burnable stuff (not plastics of course) in the fire and they reduced to next to nothing by bed time.
The following morning the got his little rake out and dug the charred/melted cans out, stomped on them and put them into a small bag you could carry in the palm of your hand which he then put into his rubbish bag.
I never smelt anything other than wood smoke while all this was going on.

I really think some of us take things to the next level.
Cheers

How true Boobook, It would be wonderful to be born fully educated in what should or should not happen.
Cheers

The countries overrun with them Blue. People who don't let their tyres down, grey nomads who don,t know how to tow or back their vans, ( A great source of entertainment for some.) a lot who can't read a map or use a GPS and those who insist on putting the white lettering on their tyres facing out. The list just goes on and on and on------.
Dave.

Whats wrong with "white" lettering facing out? Your words not mine. :)

It's a well known fact that you get a lot more punchers.
Dave.

Who does the punching?

The people who don,t like being criticised for having the white lettering facing out.
Dave.

White letters facing out, well known fact?
So well known I have never heard of it.
Sounds like a load of rubbish to me.

Just might be wrong, here but I don’t think David is 100% serious

;)

Ammunition is safe as long as it is not confined in a barrel, emergency service personal can enter burning building containing vast amounts of ammunition with thier regular protective gear.

Myles

I don't know Greg - I forgive cute Blondes very easily

Haha. They can be more trouble then they are worth !!!

I know Greg J1, I have two blonde daughters. :-)

All the time. The cans contain mostly butane which has trouble vaporising when its very cool and once you start releasing pressure from the can the temperature of the liquid drops further and you get nothing.

Solutions are to sleep with a canister in the bottom of your sleeping bag or once you do get some water warmed to around 30 degrees, put it aside and stand the cold can in it to warm a bit. The can and the liquid butane soak up the heat quickly and will be back to pressure quickly.

I have seen them stood in the remains of last nights fire or in the feeble flame from the cold stove. I don't recommend either as a bit of inattention can yield spectacular results.

I was wondering where it would be based to cover the Simpson. Nice to know one exists at all. I’ve been known to have a ‘burn’ when doing 10 odd days away from facilities and dingos are around, so I’m in that glass house. Not a lot of other options with food scraps. I clean up the leftovers out of the fire and bin them.

Yes, same here. Collect the clean burnt out tin cans in the morning and put them in a canvas rubbish bag.

Yes Phil , this helicopter also came from Moomba taking the injured to Birdsville !

Yes, transported to Birdsville too - the chap with chest pain was observed for a night at the Birdsville Hospital, found to be OK and released to the caravan park.
I think the chopper just had enough fuel to go Moomba to the Desert and then to Birdsville.

I had a Coleman stove for 20 odd happy years. One night for no particular reason, the stuffing box around the ‘up to light’ lever decided to leak half way through cooking dinner, spraying fuel directly onto the flame. Panick ensued, the fire extinguisher was deployed and I somehow managed to forget to remove the pan with the steaks prior to filling it with powder, so no dinner. Coleman were zero help in replacing the bits so it got binned after a year or two in the shed. I’m a ‘gas man’ now haha. Still got the dual fuel light around somewhere but LED lead lights have made it pretty much surplus to requirement now.

I still like it! They were a solid bit of gear.
Mine leaked near that lever once too, I vague remember having to tighten something to fix it.
Had a mate who had a really really old Coleman stove and I think to fix a seal he had to find some sort of teflon thread to wrap around somewhere. That was about 15 years ago. He used to say it never cost him anything for fuel - he'd just go around the ULP bowsers at the servo and tip out the dregs left from others - I think he was having me on!!

Quite possibly not Phil.

Before console controlled bowsers - the local servo unwittingly supplied the odd few litres of fuel to power the motorbike during Uni days.

They would turn the pumps off at night but not padlock the handles to the bowser. Each hose held nearly 2 litres of fuel.

Cheers

Anthony

"I too am one of those that will burn constables when it is warranted."

Maybe this should be in the speeding fines thread. Lol

Don't you just love autocorrect.

Totally the best thing to do Baz. We (I mean the chief/chef) always strips away all packaging where possible and places in reusable containers. Its also surprising the amount of space you can save.

Jeff