Tablet legality

Submitted: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 at 22:06
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Was told by a policeman today that an ipad or other form of tablet is illegal to used or viewed whilst the vehicle in motion as they are not dedicated driving aids. They are to be treated the same as a mobile phone. This is in Vic.
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Jul 30, 2018 at 22:43

Monday, Jul 30, 2018 at 22:43
Yes, I heard that as well, I was going to bring it up in the bracket thread, but didn’t want to start a bun fight.
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Reply By: Les - PK Ranger - Monday, Jul 30, 2018 at 23:17

Monday, Jul 30, 2018 at 23:17
I think we're heading for a state when authority can fine anyone, anytime, for something.
We have that many laws, and new ones constantly written, it's impossible to keep up with it, or abide by them all . . . and it's likely that most laws are not enforced regularly anyway as a general rule.
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:30

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:30
Interesting. My GPS's operating system is WinCE. It works as a GPS or as a tablet using Ozi. Would that confuse the plods?
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Monday, Aug 06, 2018 at 00:30

Monday, Aug 06, 2018 at 00:30
Not for a second Mikee5, but it would probably confuse the politicions that wrote the laws in the beginning lol.
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Reply By: Baz - The Landy - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:38

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:38
A reading of the rules suggest that an iPad or tablet (or phone) used as a GPS is classed as a "driving aid". The proviso is that to operate it you need to hold a full licence and it is mounted in a "commercially designed holder fixed to the vehicle.

Using other functions associated with the iPad or tablet whilst driving is illegal...

This is what I use and have had no problem whatsoever, anywhere...I actually had a good chat to a police officer about my set-up one day whilst pulled up at a RBT operation.

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Reply By: DiggZ - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:43

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:43
I know that I'll have to learn to live with it, but I don't like anything in a vehicle with a glass touch screen especially radios as I don't have any satnav screens. In my opinion they are a distraction when changing anything as you have to look at the screen too much to know where you are touching them. Give me a old style radio with a couple of knobs and a few buttons that you can change by feel any day.

I wouldn't care if all touch screens items in vehicles were illegal. I reckon there would be fewer accidents caused by distracted drivers.
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 20:46

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 20:46
Well then, I hope he puts all current model Hiluxes off the road.

They have an iPad stuck to their dash.

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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 21:29

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 21:29
As far as I know it isn't an Ipad, it's a touch screen control similar to the ranger. It has integrated navigation and a reverse camera. It doesn't have a built in phone or messaging. It is also ADR approved
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 19:26

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 19:26
and its as ugly as sin!
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 20:12

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 20:12
Looks like an afterthought.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 22:28

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 22:28
Yes they do look a bit weird..

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Follow Up By: Genny - Thursday, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:08

Thursday, Aug 02, 2018 at 12:08
Nutta posted:
and its as ugly as sin!

Bud, you aren't sinning right then!
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 22:42

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 22:42
I have no issues about using a tablet as a GPS :O.

As I am the navigator not the driver, I use the navigation aids :).
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 22:55

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 22:55
Ha, ha.
Not all can install one of those :)
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Aug 03, 2018 at 10:52

Friday, Aug 03, 2018 at 10:52
Even that could be a grey area - for example: if it is considered a 'visual display' (eg. TV, and let's face it, in many parts of Australia you could drive for hours before needing to know which way to turn at the next intersection, so you might do what many passengers do and use it to watch movies in between navigating) - in which case it must not be installed in a position where it can be seen by the driver while the vehicle is being driven - it might depend on what the tablet was being used for at the time, and whether you were able to prove it.
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Reply By: Ron N - Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 23:14

Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 at 23:14
When a policeman says what you're doing, or what you're using, is illegal - you have two choices;

1. Say, "Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes Sir, No Sir", until he puts the book away.

2. Take it to court and pay 50 or 100 times the amount of the fine, to argue that you were correct, and the policeman was wrong.

I have heard of many people having a "Court win" over the police. I've never actually met one yet.

I have tried personally, and despite getting some agreement from the Judge, the penalty still stood - and the Judge suggested I had a good case to take up my argument with the Dept of Main Roads, as it appeared they may have been at fault (and yes, it was a speeding ticket, and my argument related to faulty positioning of speed limit signs).

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 00:17

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 00:17
Had same problem with some police in Mt Barker years ago. Road works with change in speed signs positioned very close so while I was looking at my speedo to check speed for the sign...I missed the second one (my story)....think they let me off but maybe not.. I can't recall and don't hold a grudge. ..but I could be losing my memory.

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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 06:13

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 06:13
There was a news article not long ago, a NSW (?) lady travelling to Adelaide was driving in on the SE Freeway, and passing a police vehicle that had pulled someone over by the roadside.

She slowed, but not right down (80 ?), as she said (her story) that the 2 vehicles were off the road by a good 10m . . . possible, but possibly an exaggeration too.
She was an older lady, story painted a picture of very good driver, careful etc,

Anyway, there was no law like this in her state, and of course not long after she was caught up with and pulled over, fined, police would not accept her argument about distance etc.

Not sure, think that there was a thread here about this, the main concern ?
How far before / after should you be doing 25km/hr (in SA) or 40km/hr ?

We've had this law for a few years here now, but recent news shows the police wanting a higher limit, as there have been accidents around emergency vehicles in that time, and that can be more dangerous all round than it's worth !!
SA Police urge speed limit increase

I think 40 is better in some high speed places like the freeway, common sense should always apply, sad we seem to have people lacking this or too impatient to do the right thing . . . that is why we have too many draconian, inflexible laws.
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Follow Up By: OutBack Wanderers - Friday, Aug 03, 2018 at 22:20

Friday, Aug 03, 2018 at 22:20
I was driving on the Hwy 1 at Nabiac when I remembered seeing an article in the Sunday paper saying NSW was going to trial 40 kph speed zones for 12 months where-ever blue an red lights are flashing. The NRMA wanted ALL flashing lights included, tow trucks, NRMA vehicles, council vehicles, rangers, EPA, etc.

As I approached Nabiac going north, here was a cop car with flashing lights with no cars in sight, so I slowed to 40 k's, as I looked in my rear-view, he turned them off.

That's one of the problems with bringing in new laws on roads,

COMMUNICATION, instead of announcing it on a major TV network, major newspapers, radio it is quietly printed without any fanfare and drivers don't have a clue because some slow down but other's, because they haven't heard, continue to keep up their speed with unfortunate consequences to those around them

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Aug 03, 2018 at 23:30

Friday, Aug 03, 2018 at 23:30
Well it has been in the NSW media for about the last 6 months so most drivers should be aware of the upcoming trial.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter_mcc - Saturday, Aug 04, 2018 at 15:15

Saturday, Aug 04, 2018 at 15:15
I must be looking at the wrong media... I block the ads on websites, watch little commercial TV (and record/skip ads when I do) and don't listen to the radio. I only knew about it when I saw a newspaper article about it the other day.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Aug 04, 2018 at 20:54

Saturday, Aug 04, 2018 at 20:54
So even while you don't watch the usual media, the system still worked and you know about the trial about a month before it is due to start.

That sounds like a success to me.
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Follow Up By: OutBack Wanderers - Saturday, Aug 04, 2018 at 23:40

Saturday, Aug 04, 2018 at 23:40
First I heard about it garrycol was in the Sunday Telegraph, last week, mentioning the other States and their speed limits and fines.

I like your most drivers should be aware, thinking of all those drivers booked for DUI and non-wearing seat belts, after what? 20-30 yrs still being caught, after all this time, fines and points should double, as there is no excuse of not being aware

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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Sunday, Aug 05, 2018 at 12:50

Sunday, Aug 05, 2018 at 12:50
So far off topic that even Google maps cant get it back
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Monday, Aug 06, 2018 at 08:24

Monday, Aug 06, 2018 at 08:24
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Yes, and if Google maps could find it, it's so remote it will tell you the 200km will take you 6 hrs !!

Funny, reading the updates, I was scrolling the reply and follow ups, and had to check the topic heading as I thought was this what the thread is about ??

I think it went wrong here . . .

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Reply By: Candace S. - Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 01:13

Wednesday, Aug 01, 2018 at 01:13
So I wonder about the friction-mount phone holder I used during my trip (to utilize my phone for navigation)? This simply sits on the dashboard, so its great for traveling...you can use it in any vehicle.



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