Engel question

Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 13:50
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I'm not in the market just wondering there seems to be quite a few people on here with reasonably old Engel fridges how does the power consumption rate compared to newer models is there a noticeable improvement or did they get it right back in the early days ?
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 14:33

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 14:33
Gday
My Engel is 18 this year and if the battery power is there , it works the same today as it did when it was purchased 18 years ago
I just went and checked, my Engel has turned into a Waeco .You wouldnt read about things like that ,
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 14:58

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Well, there you go Muz. Maybe you have hit on the real difference between Engel and Waeco!

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Follow Up By: Member - John - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 16:04

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 16:04
Muz, you must be getting old............
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 17:20

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 17:20
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You can make a silk purse from a sows ear, just a matter of rearranging the molecules, it appears someone has done the same with your fridge.

Does it reciprocate or rotate? Big difference.
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Follow Up By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 19:44

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 19:44
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Reply By: RMD - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 14:39

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 14:39
Seeing they all use the same technology, all the ones with same oscillating compressor will use it at the same rate.
The larger units have a larger compressor and use power a bit more, but all at the same rate.
When each of them are on, they are on and the rate remains the same.

How long they run for is a different concept though. Many variables there.
Perhaps the question should ask those who own both old and newer.
Older Engels are still in use and therefore most people didn't buy a new one and won't know any difference exists.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 14:51

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 14:51
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The 'old' Engels had a little higher running current than the equivalent newer models. I could dig out the numbers but can't be bothered.

The newer models also seem to use a bit less watt-hours , probably due to improved insulation.

So yes, there is a noticeable improvement.

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Follow Up By: mike39 - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:17

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:17
I have an ancient 17l. Engel which knocks around the back of the wagon and a fairly modern 85l. Engel van fridge (living in the van.

The old Engel draws 4.6a. running, the van Engel 2.4a. both at a nom. 12 (battery) volts., both set to ~3*c.

The old 17l. model has around a 75 on 25 off % run cycle, the van one around 40 on 60 off % run cycle.

The insulation on the old 17l. is simply pathetic, I pulled the lid apart, it was about 50% filled with what looked like insulwool.
There is really no comparison between the two.
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Reply By: bobsabobsa - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:01

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:01
old 4.5 amps the new about 2.5 amps, old will last forever the new not so long
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Reply By: thinkin - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:06

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:06
I had an Engel 40l 1977 model , it chewed 6amps while working, a fair bit I thought. I bought a 32l model a few months back, it draws 2.8 - 3 amps while working, so there is a fair bit of difference. Why the difference in power consumption, for the similar type compressor motor I don't know. The 40l has recently deceased so I will happily replace it with the new 40l Engel.
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:10

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:10
There is no science or testing involved but my 70s Engel seems to cycle more than the newish one. But it also is noisier so maybe I just hear it more often.

As long as I remember the old one doesn’t have a low voltage cut out (it flattened an aux battery once) happy to use either.

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Reply By: duck - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:44

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:44
I’ve got 3 Engle’s an old 1978 one (hang on its younger than Me & I don't think I’m old ) one from 1990 & one from 2014 & they all work well (just like me LOL) The oldest one is a lot nosier & does use a more power over 48hrs but they did have a larger amp usage then & then again I use to eat & drink a lot more then too, but the oldest one has had a few seals changed & is a lot rougher than the new models, hang on that's me too. Me & that old one have a lot in common no wonder I can't bear to get rid of it, it out lasted a few girlfriends, the ex-Mrs, shared a lot of trips, but I must say I have retired it from most trips. It stills gets a run now & again but mostly she sits in the shed hopping it’s not going to see another dirt dusty rd & just thrown on the back of the ute awaiting an air hosing so it can breathe again
But to answer your question not a lot of difference & if you looked back it was heavy on battery power then, but batteries have come a long way since I brought my first Engle & now if I run them all side by side with the same type of battery yes the oldest will use more power but it also has seen a hard life
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:57

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 15:57
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...."the ex-Mrs, shared a lot of trips, but I must say I have retired it from most trips. It stills gets a run now & again but mostly she sits in the shed hopping it’s not going to see another dirt dusty rd & just thrown on the back of the ute".

Duck, Is that any way to speak of your former wife? lol
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 17:27

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 17:27
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You seem a bit hard on fridges and females. Is it only steel sheeted ones which survive?
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Follow Up By: duck - Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 10:36

Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 10:36
I thought I would get some sort of reply & a laugh (Well Done) It did take a bit of time to find the right one, the wife that is (she's hung on for 35 years so far) But when I think back to some of my early trips they were hard & a test of every body’s sense of humour
west to east 1977, CSR 1979, The cape, excreta, No air con, No power steering even my landcrusier was a 3 speed with no synchro on first, the floor on the passenger’s side use to get so hot that your thongs would melt to the floor the thongs were the ones on your feet type, not that other type you were about to pay me out on LOL) often use to unclip the roof & lay the windscreen down on the bonnet as it was stopping the breeze. Yes the roof cabin use to unclip back then
It’s So much nicer travelling with the nicer things in life until they break, then give me back the simple things most of us could fix or get them going again
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 12:31

Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 12:31
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..........."excreta"??????

Did you perhaps mean "etcetera"?

Duck, you really can't win can you?

Or perhaps you did really mean "excreta". LOL
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Follow Up By: duck - Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 14:35

Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 14:35
Should have spell checked, Lucky I build bloody good boats & custom campers, spelling was never my strong point
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 14:40

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Ah Duck, we all have our strong points, and errr......
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Follow Up By: Cobba123 - Wednesday, Feb 13, 2019 at 16:02

Wednesday, Feb 13, 2019 at 16:02
My experience with my old Engels compared to my latest 40L 2005 model is that yes, amp draw is higher on the old models (is says it so on the compliance plates) and i feel that the old models (have an 1982 39L) pull down much faster than my 40L 2005..... The problem is, once it has pulled down to temp, it has a harder time holding the temp over the newer model, hence it will cycle more often..... Makes the mind think hard whats better, ie pull down faster or hold temp better.....
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Reply By: Batt's - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 16:38

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 16:38
Thanks for all the replies so over all better on power which has improved over time and it seems that better insulation would contribute to them being more efficient as well.
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Reply By: aussiedingo (River Rina) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 17:22

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2019 at 17:22
Hi, has anyone replaced mounts on the really old ones to stop the rattles? also how do you tell the age of the old ones?
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Follow Up By: duck - Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 10:40

Thursday, Feb 07, 2019 at 10:40
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Feb 08, 2019 at 22:29

Friday, Feb 08, 2019 at 22:29
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Yes, I redesigned the motor/compressor mounts on my 1983 Engel to reduce vibration. That got rid of some of it but was still bloody noisy. Vibrated the whole camper.

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Reply By: Cobba123 - Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 09:36

Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 09:36
I tested all mine this morning for some piece of mind.

Tested after 30 seconds of run time for start up heavy amp draw to relax.

Results are-

1960's 17 Litre = 4.0 - 4.1 amps
1980's 15 Litre = 3.4 - 3.5 amps
1980's 15 Litre = 3.4 - 3.5 amps
1980's 39 Litre = 4.1 - 4.2 amps
2004 40 Litre = 2.1 - 2.2 amps

All within specs.
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