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G'day, saw this on FB, what are the thoughts on legality and engineering?
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Reply By: RMD - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:24

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:24
That is what is called, reverse engineering. Exactly the reverse what anyone would want to ever have. Built in overload and instability for every situation. The chain is a bit slack so could be extended a bit more I reckon.
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Follow Up By: terryt - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:31

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:31
Harsh words for not knowing anything about its detail or suggested use.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:37

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:37
ANYTHING which causes the hitch point to be further back from the rear axle is a bad idea and will increase the inherent instability of towing combinations.
That is a physics certainty.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:47

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:47
Terryt
Not harsh at all.
It is pictured in a caravan park so likely to be used for towing don’t you think. Perhaps you can justify or determine what it may be for, apart from normal towing.
At Woomera a few years ago I saw a Prado with the rear way down with something similar. The headlights illuminated satellites if turned on at night. I mentioned to the owner to change it ASAP or we would be reading about him quite soon.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 19:02

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 19:02
Whatever it is towing, that will also place a lot of twisting and stress on the towbar and mounting points / bolts.
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 19:46

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 19:46
I'm a bit with Terryt here - my neighbour made up something similar to tow a small trailer type thing he made up to cart his 4 wheelie bins down his 300 metre long driveway along with a grader type attachment he also made up to smooth out said driveway.

And who knows whether the vehicle in the pic isn't used by the park owner to reverse push something into place and or do something similar to my neighbour and never sees a public road ???

BUT - if it used on a public road then it is VERY VERY DODGEY !!!


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Follow Up By: Member - John - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:48

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:48
Outback Gazz, it was towing a camper trailer as was stated on FB
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:08

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:08
John, comments on your picture would be a lot more meaningful if you had related the full story. Here is your chance to bring us up to speed.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:06

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:06
Peter D, as I said, I saw it on FB and posted here for comments. I didn't take the pic or know where it was taken, but it is in Oz and he was towing a Camper Trailer, all I know.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 16:05

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 16:05
Thanks for the extra info. All you said in your OP was you saw the picture on Facebook.
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Reply By: Ron N - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:46

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 18:46
100% illegal on every angle you look at it from - engineering, physics and compliance with towbar legislation.

I trust he only plans to pull a sheep feeder through a paddock with it - because I wouldn't want to meet him/her on the highway, while he's/she's towing a near-capacity trailer or 'van.

An accident waiting for a place to happen, if the intention is to use it on-road.

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Follow Up By: Dion - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 21:58

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 21:58
What if it tows a dog trailer where the only downforce is the weight of the drawbar only?
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Reply By: Phil - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 19:18

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 19:18
The coupling has been photographed in a caravan park/camping ground so the vehicle is obviously towing a caravan/camper trailer of some description with a Treg type offroad coupling. I assume the extended bar is to allow the ute tailgate to drop and clear the coupling and A-frame of the trailer. I am unsure of the configuration of the chains though. An extra 'safety feature' maybe? If the ute is towing an offroad trailer, the offroad ability would be compromised somewhat.

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Follow Up By: RMD - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 20:04

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 20:04
The coupling is well below where the tailgate lowers to. The chains are to stop complete tongue coming out when the pin drops out. A mates tow hitch has the same, albeit far shorter and close to the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:25

Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:25
Not everyone in a caravan park/camping ground is towing - I've been staying in caravan parks and camping areas for over 20 years but have only been towing something in the last 5 years. (you assumed "The coupling has been photographed in a caravan park/camping ground so the vehicle is obviously towing a caravan/camper trailer of some description...")

Perhaps he just wants to use a "Bumper Dumper" and needed to extend the hitch so he can continue to use it when the ute tailgate is open?
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:49

Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:49
I think the argument about it possibly not towing is a bit over the top, more or less over-guessing the other way of either possible secenarios.

If it wasn't towing it wouldn't have this massive leg / shin collector fitted !!

Being in a cara park, it's not to hard to imagine why it's fitted.
There was also follow ups confirming comments from Faceache about they were apparently towing a camper too.

It's pretty obvious they have a very short drawbar on whatever they are towing, maybe high hitch / other bits up front of drawbar (large toolbox or angle screen ??), that leads to tailgate opening issues . . . and / or they have very bad reversing skills / problems
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 21:20

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 21:20
Gday
I recon its there to catch people out that are walking behind and not looking
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Follow Up By: Iza B - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:38

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:38
Good excuse to remove the extension and leave it on the bonnet.

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Reply By: skulldug - Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 21:50

Monday, Feb 18, 2019 at 21:50
Thoughts on Facebook - not good. Or did you mean the photo - not a lot better.
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 17:09

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 17:09
Common buddy

Its called fakebook for a reason
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Reply By: Glenn C5 - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:39

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:39
This may be legal in some countries. Who knows where this was taken.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:51

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:51
GlenC5, was taken in Oz.
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Reply By: Gbc.. - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 07:09

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 07:09
Poor Ford.
That one looks home made but you can buy ‘genuine’ American Reese hitch extensions online. They come with a warning that ball load needs to be reduced (in lb’s ..... from the land of the generally stupid) It doesn’t make the thought of doing that any less of a travesty.
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Reply By: RMD - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:28

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:28
There appears to be a toy car on the BBQ base, so children are involved, and the "safety chain" of the tow tongue has a cable supplying to near the Treg coupling. The cable actually passes through the links of the safety chain in two places, presumably to prevent the cable from dropping on the ground.
This bloke is what we want to see on the road. Safety aware!
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:28

Friday, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:28
Children involved? Maybe he simply wants to mount a bike rack (children often like to ride bikes), and be able to open the tailgate without removing the bike rack.
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Reply By: Griffin - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:28

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:28
It will be an interesting discussion with the insurance company WHEN the accident happens or the chassis bends. I don't know if it's the angle of the photo but it seems to have been lifted just a bit as well.
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Follow Up By: terryt - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:36

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:36
It's probably made out of wood painted gray and posted to rev all you blokes up. No one knows anything about this so I think any comments are ill informed to say the least.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 20:08

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2019 at 20:08
terryt
You seem to be a devils advocate and cast doubt in to discussions.
The general and very valid clarifications regarding legality are good to reinforce the proper viewpoints on stupid things. Even if it was Grey or gray. Someone went to a lot of trouble to fit a cable and heavy chain it if was/is a hoax. The correct messages have been delivered to the reading members. You should be thankful for that.
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Follow Up By: terryt - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 07:12

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 07:12
Are you suggesting gray is the preferred way to spell the color. Best check your references. It appears we are getting to a world where to query the line the "experts" are running is a no no. We must all toe the line and join in to condemn from a random photo of the back end of a ute when other than being told it is towing a camper trailer (no details) That's right there is a huge group of people out there who read this forum and need to be saved from themselves. If it is so terrible why hasn't this guy been picked up by the cops. And as for the comment re removing it and putting it on his bonnet I'd suggest that fellows fanny scratchers should be kept to himself. Being a vigilante is not a good thing and being king of the caravan park might get some peoples rocks off but it will win noone over.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:07

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:07
terryt
You used the spelling of gray, not me.
I had an uncle with the surname GRAY, but he wasn't a grey colour.
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Follow Up By: terryt - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:12

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:12
my bad. gray and grey are interchangeable
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 16:30

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 16:30
Seems to be one on patrol in every park I've stayed in over the years Terryt. A of couple of words ( the second one being off ) normally moves them on.
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Reply By: Greg J1 - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 07:41

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 07:41
Just wondering if the long extension might be for launching a small boat on the beach. I seen a bloke doing this once and that extra length helps getting the boat back into slightly deeper water.

Seen plenty of boat trailers with a treg style hitch
Certainly wouldn’t be something I would use on the road though.

Cheers Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:05

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:05
Greg, from the comments on FB it was towing a camper trailer, no idea of size etc and was also stated to be seen driving around Townsville with it attached.
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Follow Up By: Greg J1 - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 17:53

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 17:53
Ok no worries John, just a thought.

Cheers Greg
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Reply By: Griffin - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 15:04

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 15:04
I wonder if the FB comment described the bar as being in the extended or recessed position when towing.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 16:31

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 16:31
G'day, no comment on that, but another post on here says only about 80mm before hard up so can't be shortened.
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Reply By: nickb - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 16:13

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2019 at 16:13
What’s worse is that the receiver on the Ford Ranger towbar only butts into the main crossbar so there is only about 80mm of tongue inside the receiver...
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Follow Up By: Glenn C5 - Thursday, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:15

Thursday, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:15
And that's nowhere near enough tongue for any receiver !!
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Follow Up By: nickb - Thursday, Feb 21, 2019 at 20:45

Thursday, Feb 21, 2019 at 20:45
My apologies, it’s actually 90mm. It also has some bracing welded around the lip of the receiver, Ford had a few instances where the hole elongated due to the short length.
This is a picture of my old towbar, my new towbar allows the tounge to go in as far as required.
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